[Notwithstanding]

Jesus is a historical fact. He lived in his mother's womb - just like you did - and all his unique DNA was present at the instant of conception - just like yours was.

Go be irrational on some other thread.

[Risky Schemer]

Go be irrational on some other thread.

Irrational is fabricating an extra-scriptural fantasy to support an idea the Bible does not support -- i.e., life begins at conception.

The Bible position is clear. Life begins at birth. (And new life begins at new birth.)

The individual's life begins at conception. That's science, RS.

Argue science if you want, but making up a story about Jesus in the womb and some kid named Jeremiah is about as far from science as you can get. Don't argue science when you're really using religion.