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Posted on 04/07/2002 7:52:03 PM PDT by Rule of Law

Some people have been saying that they are happy that Japan is talking about how they can have nukes any time they want them. These people talk about how the Japanese are our friends.

Maybe they've forgotten. Maybe they just don't care. Maybe the rice rocket in the driveway and the big color TV means more to them than what our "friends" did in WWII.

But maybe they just need to be reminded. Read this if you've got the stomach for it. But I wouldn't eat first.

And Here's some more. I haven't got the stomach to read it all. But maybe you have.

Read it and then tell me that these people are our friends and that you want them to have nukes.


TOPICS: Culture/Society; Foreign Affairs; Miscellaneous; Your Opinion/Questions
KEYWORDS: japan; pow; torture
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To: Rule of Law
Kinkeseki in Taiwan
22 posted on 04/07/2002 9:06:28 PM PDT by Libertina
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To: Rule of Law
Thanks for posting this. One question I've had for a long time is about how different nations have treated other former enemies since WWII. Do other nations still hold a grudge? I know the Chinese generally don't like the Japanese because of the Rape of Nan King (which I hear is banned in Japan). I know some Jewish people who will not buy German items because of WWII. I'd love to hear what experiences people have with regards to the aftermath of WWII. I'm going to post on this subject soon and see if we can find out.
23 posted on 04/07/2002 9:08:26 PM PDT by ItisaReligionofPeace
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To: CW_Conservative
You think the atomic bombs and firebombing of Tokyo were bad? What we did to them is nothing compared to what they would've done to us. Can you not understand this?
24 posted on 04/07/2002 9:10:22 PM PDT by ItisaReligionofPeace
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To: allend
The only good that would have come out of us not bombing Japan with two atomic bombs and firebombing Tokyo is that you and your ilk wouldn't be here today...the bad is that I wouldn't be here either.
25 posted on 04/07/2002 9:12:37 PM PDT by ItisaReligionofPeace
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To: Norvokov
The Germans weren't brutes, the Nazis were, but you could hardly call them Christians...

Exactly, and you make my point. Basically decent, Christian people saddled with evil, godless leaders, tricked/seduced/forced into doing their bidding. Evil leaders will often bring out the very worst in good people. But it would be the greatest folly to believe that you, or I, or any race or nationality is inherently superior to any other based solely on racial criteria. This is simple common sense, and is in accord with the Scriptural pronouncement that all have sinned and fallen short of the glory of God. Racial aspersions are the trademark of simple-minded dolts who feign political wisdom while having read very little and thought even less.

26 posted on 04/07/2002 9:12:42 PM PDT by pariah
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To: allend
How old are you, or I should say how old is your body? Mentally you appear to be around nine years old. Self-loathing idiots like you are the worst there is...
27 posted on 04/07/2002 9:14:15 PM PDT by ItisaReligionofPeace
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To: allend
Yeah, right, so we could have killed a few million more! C'mon now, let's hear some more about those nasty ol' Japs! Why maybe if they had the bomb, their atrocities would have ended up comparable to ours!

And if we had invaded, we undoubtedly would have done just exactly that. We could have had a negotiated surrender, or course, but that wouldn't have jibed with the plans of our glorious leader, "Unconditional Surrender" Roosevelt, the Great American.

You sound like you think we attacked Japan. The Japs attacked us.

First they invades Korea and China and butchered millions. And when I say "butchered", I mean "butchered". Not just the people who they starved to death. Or the people that dies in their bombing. Or soldiers they killed in battle. I mean the 10 million or so they beheaded, gutted, or did "medical experiments" on. People these fiends tortured to death.

Not only did that do that, they decided to attack us and everything in Asia. They decided that between them and the Hun they would destroy our way of life.

So we fought back. We took back the islands they had stolen one by one. Fighting for every bloody inch. Our boys suffered horrific casualties and so did the Jap.

But the Jap didn't give up. You have to give him that. He was brave. He'd rather die than surrender. And if he could, he'd take you with him.

Well, it taught us one thing. That there was no negotiating with the Sons of Nippon. Sure, we tried. But they said there was nothing doing. They were prepared to fight to the bitter end.

We figured on loosing at least a million men when we invaded. But you can't let a cancer like that continue to exist. You've got to take it out. We figured the Japs would loose at least 5 million or more.

So Truman did the humanitarian thing. He nuked Hiroshima and Nagisaki. If he hadn't, Tojo and his crew were willing to sacrifice the whole nation.

Before you call it a terrorist attack or an atrocity, you ought to think of the alternatives.

28 posted on 04/07/2002 9:15:36 PM PDT by Rule of Law
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To: Rule of Law
The nice Japanese are wonderful people - there was a "Japanese Schindler" (a diplomat) who saved a lot of Jews by writing visas for them to get out of Germany. The Germans finally expelled him - and he kept writing visas on his way out of the country! The worst Japanese combine racism and zenophobia like few other people on earth, and IMO they fully earned the bombs dropped on H & N...
30 posted on 04/07/2002 9:19:16 PM PDT by 185JHP
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To: ItisaReligionofPeace
Do other nations still hold a grudge?

It's remarkable how little ill will we do bear against these people. They and the Germans do all these horrific things and we immediately rebuild them. Within a very short amount of time, we act as if they have done nothing whatsoever.

Forgive and forget seems to be the West's motto.

Forgive? OK. Forget? I say never.

31 posted on 04/07/2002 9:21:35 PM PDT by Rule of Law
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To: Rule of Law
I'll ping you when I post my thread on the subject. It should be a good one. I want to get international freepers opinions too.
32 posted on 04/07/2002 9:25:07 PM PDT by ItisaReligionofPeace
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To: ItisaReligionofPeace
What we did to them is nothing compared to what they would've done to us.

I didn't know there was a sliding scale for evil, where barbarous actions are justified by hypothetical equations.

Can you not understand this?

What I understand is that we allied ourselves with communists and lost our honor and our moral standing in the world, which we have tried to make up for with cash and the appeasement of tyrants that threaten the USA.

Why do you think we are dropping food in Afganistan? We know what happened in WWII was evil, which is why the leftist media reported so heavily on civilian causalties in Vietnam in their attempt to undermine it. That was considered a "bad" war for commie dupes.

33 posted on 04/07/2002 9:30:21 PM PDT by CW_Conservative
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To: CW_Conservative
So the Japanese were willing to die by bullet or hand to hand, but not by bomb. It that your twisted logic?

By dropping the A-bombs, we convinced them that continuing the war was futile.

Actually the Japanese were willing to surrender but wanted to retain their emperor, who they consider a deity. But no, unconditional surrender was our reply, no exceptions.

When you start a war with the world, you don't get to choose how you surrender. You take what's offered or take the consequences.

We then hit them with two bombs, then accepted their surrender allowing them to keep the emperor.

Which wasn't offered until after we had dropped the bombs. They never offered to surrender before we bombed.

That is exactly what it was. We thought they might surrender if we caused enough grief, horror and hardship for their citizens.

No. We thought that they might surrender once we convinced them that they could not possibly win and couldn't have the pleasure of killing more Americans while loosing.

The A-bombs were an object lesson. They told Japan that we could and would destroy them without having to invade. They had been counting on killing so many of our people that we'd negotiate a settlement with them. Until we destroyed that hope, they had no intention of surrendering.

34 posted on 04/07/2002 9:31:10 PM PDT by Rule of Law
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To: CW_Conservative
You call it a hypothetical, I call it the reality and truth. We aligned ourselves with the communists as you say because our common enemy was a bigger enemy to both of us at the time. Yes, there is a sliding scale of brutality and cruelty and I could exhibit examples for you, however, you are obviously a moral equivalency type and are therefore beyond hope. Reason doesn't work with unreasonable people. Good bye.
35 posted on 04/07/2002 9:40:27 PM PDT by ItisaReligionofPeace
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To: theprogrammer
I seem to be missing something here. Are you saying that it would have been better to put our soldiers in harm's way???

Our policy of unconditional surrender did exactly that. But, listen to yourself, "putting soldiers in harm's way???", is called fighting a war. If a war is not worth fighting for, then negotiate a settlement. Don't target innocents.

36 posted on 04/07/2002 9:42:07 PM PDT by CW_Conservative
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To: 185JHP
The nice Japanese are wonderful people

Don't get me wrong. The Japanese are like anyone else in the world. There are good people and bad people. There are good Japanese and bad Americans.

But Japanese culture was such that it encouraged barbaric behavior. The culture still hasn't changed all that much. Many Japanese believe in a concept called "Japanese Uniqueness". It's the "Master Race" idea. These aren't fringe lunatics like the skinheads and KKK here in the US. These are influential people. Presidents of large corporations and senior government officials. Japanese Uniqueness is a mainstream philosophy.

Not everyone in Japan believes in it. There is an element that seeks to discredit it. But they haven't succeeded. A very large percentage of the Japanese population still believe in this Master Race crap.

No one needs to tell you that that sort of garbage is dangerous.

37 posted on 04/07/2002 9:42:22 PM PDT by Rule of Law
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To: ItisaReligionofPeace
I'll ping you when I post my thread on the subject.

Thanks. I look forward to reading it.

38 posted on 04/07/2002 9:43:22 PM PDT by Rule of Law
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To: allend
C'mon now, let's hear some more about those nasty ol' Japs! Why maybe if they had the bomb, their atrocities would have ended up comparable to ours! What the hell are you smoking??? the Japs are the most racist people on the face of the earth! and got LESS than what they deserved!
39 posted on 04/07/2002 9:53:36 PM PDT by gilor
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To: maro
Hmmm. Didnt the Nazi's consider themselves Christian? And didn't they observe all the Christian holidays and religious observances?
40 posted on 04/07/2002 10:04:24 PM PDT by Naked Lunch
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