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> while the Jews were wandering around in the desert

I believe Thera could well have been the cover under which the early Israelites who left by sea (aka the Proto-Celts) escaped, the rest escaping by land in the traditional EXODUS a century or two later.

In any case, none of these Iraelites were Jews. They were just Israelites, and not even divided into Northern and Southern Kingdoms at this point. The designation "Jew" for a small percentage of these Israelites offspring was not in common use until 500 BC, over a thousand years later.

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"In any case, none of these Iraelites were Jews. They were just Israelites, and not even divided into Northern and Southern Kingdoms at this point. The designation "Jew" for a small percentage of these Israelites offspring was not in common use until 500 BC, over a thousand years later.

You have taught me this and I agree. However, when I am making a 'quick' statement I think it is more widely understood when I use the word Jew....besides, I knew you'd be around shortly to correct the record, thanks. (smile) Now, I have to go out and continue cutting the grass. That's all I've done this week, cut grass. (ugh)

Your basic Irishman, a "proto celt" in your parlance, descends from two group of Celts. One group were primitive hunters and gatherers living in a broad band across Western Europe to Cental Europe.

The other, and infinitely more important group came from Spain. They were seafaring folks who had been plying their trade since the earliest days of the Phoenicians, sometimes in competition, sometimes in cooperation.

While Abraham was still wondering around on the Arabian trade routes - long, long before the establishment of the state of Israel, the seagoing Celts controlled the Danube and other rivers that empty into the Black Sea. Their placenames may be discovered readily by looking at a map.

For up to a millenia these people made their money by keeping German speaking slaves on plantations in what is now Bulgaria. Everything was good for a very long time and these fellows controlled far more than their fairshare of Mediterranean trade. Then, it kind of came to an end when about 700 BC the German slaves got uppity and finally figured out how to hold a rebellion. The seagoing Celts then moved permanently West to Carvajal. They still live there. They have colonized other places, e.g. Scota, Alba and Briton. From time to time they would pop up working with the very well known Phoenician descendants called the Cartheginians in wars against the Italians. For example, we have Magolis allied to Hannibal in the Punic Wars. (Pronounce it McWallace if you wish - the Greeks and Romans were unable to do so)

You might note, also, that this same group occupied what we now call Troy in the days when the more primitive Greeks came around. The Celts called the town or fortress "Illium" or "Allium", depending on their dialect.

These folks had made their mark in the world, including a mark in civilization, long before the Hebrews in Egypt became slaves.

There's absolutely no reason to have to strip them naked of all culture and technology and then put them into a time machine and transport them FORWARD to the days of Moses where they can turn into a "Lost Tribe".

It would be far easier to turn the Hebrews into a "lost tribe" of Irishmen (or Bulgarian Celts)!

At some point in the Bible a Prophet notes in response to David's ancestry that it came from just about everywhere. Check the list - the Irish are in there (if you know what they are called at the time).