The other, and infinitely more important group came from Spain. They were seafaring folks who had been plying their trade since the earliest days of the Phoenicians, sometimes in competition, sometimes in cooperation.
While Abraham was still wondering around on the Arabian trade routes - long, long before the establishment of the state of Israel, the seagoing Celts controlled the Danube and other rivers that empty into the Black Sea. Their placenames may be discovered readily by looking at a map.
For up to a millenia these people made their money by keeping German speaking slaves on plantations in what is now Bulgaria. Everything was good for a very long time and these fellows controlled far more than their fairshare of Mediterranean trade. Then, it kind of came to an end when about 700 BC the German slaves got uppity and finally figured out how to hold a rebellion. The seagoing Celts then moved permanently West to Carvajal. They still live there. They have colonized other places, e.g. Scota, Alba and Briton. From time to time they would pop up working with the very well known Phoenician descendants called the Cartheginians in wars against the Italians. For example, we have Magolis allied to Hannibal in the Punic Wars. (Pronounce it McWallace if you wish - the Greeks and Romans were unable to do so)
You might note, also, that this same group occupied what we now call Troy in the days when the more primitive Greeks came around. The Celts called the town or fortress "Illium" or "Allium", depending on their dialect.
These folks had made their mark in the world, including a mark in civilization, long before the Hebrews in Egypt became slaves.
There's absolutely no reason to have to strip them naked of all culture and technology and then put them into a time machine and transport them FORWARD to the days of Moses where they can turn into a "Lost Tribe".
It would be far easier to turn the Hebrews into a "lost tribe" of Irishmen (or Bulgarian Celts)!
At some point in the Bible a Prophet notes in response to David's ancestry that it came from just about everywhere. Check the list - the Irish are in there (if you know what they are called at the time).
>Your basic Irishman, a "proto celt" in your parlance, descends from two group of Celts. One
group were primitive hunters and gatherers living in a broad band across Western Europe to
Cental Europe.
Please provide your source for this very generalized speculation. I studied Ancient Irish History at Trinity College Dublin and don't recognize any reference to CELTS that old. I'll be especially interested in your definition of and identification of CELTs.
>The other, and infinitely more important group came from Spain. They were seafaring folks who had been plying their trade since the earliest days of the Phoenicians, sometimes in competition, sometimes in cooperation.
To the extent they CAME via Spain I agree. Phoenician of course means "red headed man", which correlates both with the Irish and with David of the OT. The Phoenicians were Hebrews, as were Abraham and his offspring, but they appear to be from different families of Hebrews.
>While Abraham was still wondering around on the Arabian trade routes - long, long before the
establishment of the state of Israel, the seagoing Celts controlled the Danube and other rivers
that empty into the Black Sea. Their placenames may be discovered readily by looking at a map.
I agree with the concept, but your dates don't work. It is thought that members of the Tribe of Dan (Proto-Celts) explored and named the river Dan, Dneiper, and many others, all the way across northern Erope to the territory of DANmark (Denmark).
Todays State of Israel was established nearly 4,000 years after Abraham left Ur. There was no such thing as a "State of Israel" in Ancient times, but there was a Kingdom of Israel which existed before the formation of the Northern and Southern Kingdoms. That name went with the Northern Kingdom when it split off.
>For up to a millenia these people made their money by keeping German speaking slaves on
plantations in what is now Bulgaria. Everything was good for a very long time and these fellows
controlled far more than their fairshare of Mediterranean trade. Then, it kind of came to an end
when about 700 BC t
722 BC is when the Northern Kingdom was taken into Assyrian Captivity. Any link there? These 5 MILLION in the Lost Tribes of Israel didn't escape from the Assyrians in any great quantity until a hundred years later, so probably not.
>the German slaves got uppity and finally figured out how to hold a
rebellion. The seagoing Celts then moved permanently West to Carvajal. They still live there.
They have colonized other places, e.g. Scota, Alba and Briton. From time to time they would
pop up working with the very well known Phoenician descendants called the Cartheginians in
wars against the Italians. For example, we have Magolis allied to Hannibal in the Punic Wars.
(Pronounce it McWallace if you wish - the Greeks and Romans were unable to do so)
Maybe we can pursue this in another thread or post. This is getting awfully long.
>You might note, also, that this same group occupied what we now call Troy in the days when the more primitive Greeks came around. The Celts called the town or fortress "Illium" or "Allium", depending on their dialect.
Yes, some scholars think that Troy (and lots of other places) was founded by the Israelite Proto-Celts who left Egypt by sea several hundred years before the Exodus by land. A major part of the Tribe of Dan, plus members of the Tribes of Asher and Judah were part of that evacuation. BLAM here on LT makes the interesting point that this is about the time of the massive Thera volcanic eruption.
>These folks had made their mark in the world, including a mark in civilization, long before the
Hebrews in Egypt became slaves.
What folks are we talking about??? I'd like to see your documentation and definition of CELT. I am unaware of any activity attributed to even Proto-CELTS prior to about 1600 BC.
>There's absolutely no reason to have to strip them naked of all culture and technology and then
put them into a time machine and transport them FORWARD to the days of Moses where they
can turn into a "Lost Tribe".
Sorry, your post was so long this part escapes me.
>It would be far easier to turn the Hebrews into a "lost tribe" of Irishmen (or Bulgarian Celts)!
Actually, its not all that difficult to make a case for Proto-Celts in Ireland with a direct link to the Israelites in Egypt.
>At some point in the Bible a Prophet notes in response to David's ancestry that it came from just about everywhere.
Please quote the verse.
>Check the list - the Irish are in there (if you know what they are called at the time).
The Irish are in where?