1 posted on
04/04/2002 12:26:30 PM PST by
Caleb1411
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To: Caleb1411
Not enough for the 'Lefties' that 'Twin Towers' came down; they would love it for the Catholic Church; Vatican et al to collapse as well. . .
2 posted on
04/04/2002 12:29:08 PM PST by
cricket
To: Caleb1411
Clift saves her best for last, returning to the scandals with as ugly a statement as she can muster. "The priesthood attracts sexually conflicted men,Clift should talk. She's had the hots for Bill Clinton for years.
To: american_colleen
ping for later reading
To: Caleb1411
Since when does Elanor Clift represent "the American press" anyway?
5 posted on
04/04/2002 12:36:04 PM PST by
Vladiator
To: Caleb1411
Open Season on the Catholic ChurchOpen season? I thought there was a three-cross limit.
6 posted on
04/04/2002 12:36:47 PM PST by
Lazamataz
To: Caleb1411
I wouldn't put it past Eleanor "Evil" Clift to have made this anomynous priest out of whole cloth. (no pun intended) There have been many liberal writers who have done so in the very recent past.
To: Caleb1411
With all due respect. The Church through it's agents (Managers) has conspired to suppress information and obstruct justice.
This is more like Enron that you might think.
Many people are asking why it took the press so long to look into this story. HOW many damaged souls are out there because of sexual misdeeds by the most trustworthy person in their life?
To: Caleb1411
Methinks she writes with the hand of Satan himself.
--Proud and Happy to be Catholic
To: Caleb1411 & cricket
Trouble is, these problems have been brewing for a long time. Now that a united church is needed, the hammer comes down! Ask the idiots, who were promoting homosexuality in the abbeys, if the had any idea that their actions would cause such suffering, and you will probably get the same reaction as you would from Bill Clinton over the intern blow job.
Hey, didn't ya know, that's how evil works.
12 posted on
04/04/2002 12:41:51 PM PST by
Bogie
To: Caleb1411
Great article. Thanks for posting this. The Buckley family should get some kind of special award for producing so many excellent writers.
To: Caleb1411
Of course, it's ridiculous to criticize any church because it is not structured like the US government. The latter taxes us against our will -- hence must be set up to allow us to (very nominally) manage it. Churches in this country are organizations that people contribute to voluntarily, so they can organize their hierarchy as they please.
That doesn't give them permission to break laws, though. The level of not only abuse, but failure by church leaders to disclose abuse to the authorities, has been appalling.
22 posted on
04/04/2002 1:11:46 PM PST by
ellery
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Eleanor Clift may rant and rave all she wants, as can mainstream media and the rest of the bolsheviks. The Church, the bride of Christ, is ETERNAL. (You would think they might have realized this since it has been around now for almost 2,000 years and has survived every political system, every war, and every dictator in that brief time.) Let them rant - when they get done they'll find their target is stronger than it was before.
23 posted on
04/04/2002 1:15:39 PM PST by
waxhaw
To: Caleb1411
The real problem with the current scandals of the Catholic Church is that it undermines the authority of the Church to speak out on issues that are most important.
The next big move in sexual deviancy will be the legitimization of adult-child sex. The standard patterns have already emerged, such as psychologists writing papers saying it's not that bad, etc. Soon, there will be articles appearing about how Greek philosophers used to take young boys under their wing and raise and educate them. Following that, expect more movies like "Manhattan", with an adult/high school/child romance involved.
While the scandals in the Church are deplorable on their own, the media making hay with them is part of a calculated ploy to blunt the ability of the Church to address this issue. I fear it will work.
To: Caleb1411
There is a story on www.theamericanprowler.org website by George Neumayr and the title is "Let us Prey".
The Catholic Church doesn't need many more stories like this to create irreparable harm to itself.
Most of the criticism is deserved and most catholics are in deep denial and I can't blame them.
29 posted on
04/04/2002 1:42:23 PM PST by
chatham
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Amazing how the Catholics always stand quietly as us fundamentalist protestants get gored by the press?? This is exactly why they should stand for their fellow Christians rather than playing pile on. Someday they may realize that Christian bashing is Christian bashing!
Pray for GW and the Truth
32 posted on
04/04/2002 1:52:08 PM PST by
bray
To: Caleb1411
Substitute "The Catholic Church" for "Bill Clinton" and you will plainly see just how hypocritical some of us here are. Remember how the Clinton defenders used to accuse us of being on a vendetta against him?
Bill Clinton had scandal after scandal but he would never address them directly. Instead, he and his media pit pulls would dissemble and prevaricate and create the impression that we nasty conservatives were just out to get him. "It's Open Season on Bill Clinton," these flacks and lackeys would proclaim on all those news shows, "It's a vast right wing conspiracy to unseat the president."
Well here we are with the Catholic Church who have a huge problem with homosexual priests abusing and sexually molesting children. Instead of taking responsibility, assigning blame and booting out the bad apples, including the cardinals who not only allowed it to happen but shuffled the priests off to other parishes, the apologists for the Catholic Church have decided to circle the wagons, stonewall and accuse those who would have a problem with what the Church has done of being "on a vendetta to destroy the church."
Sounds like the Catholic Church has inherited Bill Clinton's playbook. And many of us here are just playing along.
To: Caleb1411
"Pope John Paul II (has) named virtually every bishop in America. All of this pope's appointees are ideologically conservative. Oh geez. That's like saying "all of this pope's appointees are religiously Catholic." What a moron!
I can't believe she actually thought that was a worthwhile point to make.
To: Caleb1411
Newsweek's Eleanor Clift has penned a piece on the magazine's Web site that demonstrates just how impossibly incoherent some can be when they choose to comment on a subject about which they know so little. I have run into so many of those kinds... it's tragic. That is a great line btw!
To: Caleb1411
Attention, Catholics: We had it all wrong. What Jesus Christ meant was, "Thou art Peter, and upon this rock I will build my Church -- until the Internet comes along, at which point never mind." LOL!
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