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50 cal. Rifle and Ammunition Ban in Calif.
WorldNetDaily.com | 4/02/02 | Jon Dougherty

Posted on 04/02/2002 8:09:23 AM PST by JDoutrider

By Jon Dougherty © 2002 WorldNetDaily.com

A committee of the California Assembly is set to consider a bill that would outlaw the sale and ownership of .50-caliber rifles in the state.

The measure, known as A.B. 2222, was introduced Feb. 28. Sponsored by Assemblyman Paul Koretz, D-Hollywood, chairman of the Assembly's Select Committee on Gun Violence, the bill would also outlaw "small-arms armor-piercing ammunition."

"Existing law requires, except as specified, for the destruction, as a nuisance, of a machine gun possessed in violation of law. This bill would similarly require, except as specified, for the destruction, as a nuisance, of a .50-caliber sniper weapon possessed in violation of [the] law," said a summary of the bill.

The Public Safety Committee was expected to vote on the measure by today, according to information published on the state Assembly's website. But a spokeswoman from the committee told WorldNetDaily yesterday that the vote had been pushed back to April 16.

Calls to the office of the Democratic head of the committee, Assemblyman Carl Washington, went unanswered. Republican Vice Chairman Jay La Suer's office also did not return calls seeking comment. The committee was out for Easter break.

Gun-control groups have come out in support the measure.

In an analysis entitled, "Voting From the Rooftops," in which it asserts that the "gun industry armed" Osama bin Laden, the Violence Policy Center says the "entrepreneurs who powered the .50 caliber wave are already working on new designs," and proposes adding the weapons to the National Firearms Act.

"Congress should immediately amend federal law to bring .50BMG rifles under the National Firearms Act. This action would subject these weapons to the same regimen of registration, background checks and taxation to which other weapons of war, such as machine guns and destructive devices, are currently subjected," said the VPC study.

The anti-gun group also opposes any "grandfathering" of the weapons – exempting those already in circulation from the new regulations – and supports a "very short" registration period.

"America must know who besides Osama bin Laden possesses these deadly tools of assassination and terror," said the report, which claimed that Branch Davidian leader David Koresh had two of the weapons and that a Montana group called the Church Universal and Triumphant obtained 10 of them. The Irish Republican Army, said VPC, has used .50 caliber rifles to kill British troops and Irish constables.

The VPC also supports banning .50 caliber armor-piercing ammunition.

"Taken together," the group – in its report – said, "the foregoing recommendations would significantly reduce the severe and immediate threat that heavy and intermediate civilian sniper rifles pose to public safety and national security."

"Their potential for assassination is readily apparent, but they are also capable of devastating attacks on infrastructure," says an analysis by Physicians for Social Responsibility. "They have the potential to shoot down both commercial and private aircraft, helicopters and disable other transportation. A terrorist armed with a .50 caliber weapon and incendiary ammunition could attack oil or gas pipelines and storage facilities, chemical plants and other hazardous industrial facilities."

"PSR encourages Congress to regulate .50-caliber sniper rifles in the same manner as machines guns and other firearms that are regulated under the Internal Revenue Code of 1986," the group said.

Other groups say opposition to the weapons and their ammunition is politically motivated.

"The VPC argues that because .50-caliber rifles are used by the military, they should not be available to civilians. This false premise, also used against 'assault weapons,' suffers at least two flaws," says a "Fact Sheet" issued by the National Rifle Association.

"First, .50-caliber rifles used by the military were developed through the combined efforts of civilian target shooters, firearm engineers and gunsmiths," the NRA said "Second, civilians have always owned the same kinds of firearms as the military, and many firearms have been adopted by the military only after being widely adopted by hunters and target shooters."

The gun-rights organization said .50-caliber weapons "aren't used in crimes" because they are "too expensive and cumbersome for run-of-the-mill" criminals.

Other gun-rights groups said it is wrong to punish law-abiding Americans for what may or may not happen.

"If this is a good way to make laws, then we ought to ban politicians," Larry Pratt, executive director of Gun Owners of America, told WorldNetDaily. "We know from the past that some of them invariably become dictators, and more of them become thieves. In order to avoid that, we ought to just have no politicians."

Makers of one of the most popular .50-caliber rifles – Barrett – have defended the sale and use of the weapons. Also, the company denies it has arbitrarily sold its rifles to terrorists.

Mary Scott Smith, a spokesperson for the company, told CNSNews.com in a Nov. 12 interview that Barrett had never sold .50 caliber rifles to foreign nations not sanctioned by the U.S. State Department.

She said the U.S. government bought several .50-caliber rifles 14 years ago, then supplied the weapons to the rebel forces known as the Afghan Mujahedin for use in their fight against invading Soviet troops.

"That's all we know about it," Smith said. "It happened 14 years ago. We are busy right now to keep our U.S. military supplied with the things they need to fight this war."

She also denied that foreign and domestic "terror groups" had obtained the weapons from the company.

"We certainly did not ship any rifles to the IRA and as far as [Branch Davidian leader] David Koresh, we only sell to licensed dealers. He evidently purchased them through his dealer, and his compound had a federal firearms license. So he had them legally. We heard that those rifles were never fired," she said.

Connecticut has already banned .50-caliber armor-piercing ammunition, and there have been efforts on the federal level to ban the weapons altogether. Sen. Dianne Feinstein, D-Calif., has twice introduced legislation to ban the rifles, once in 1999 and once in 2001.

Pratt dismisses the effort as unnecessary.

"I'm surprised lawmakers haven't come up with this law sooner because it's become a rampant problem," he said sarcastically. "I mean, bank robberies with these things, drive by shootings … Good grief, man, haven't you seen all of these guys with these mounted on their pickup trucks?"

In a separate measure, state Sen. Don Perata, D-Oakland, has proposed a bill that would impose a five cent tax on each round of ammunition sold in the state.

Perata, an avid gun-control advocate who says he's bound to get angry responses to his proposal, claims he's not offering his bill to curb gun use. Rather, he told local TV newscasts, he says the bill would raise money to save California's hospital trauma centers, some of which are going under.

"Bullets cause injuries that are expensive to treat and generally speaking, the public is footing the bill," he said.

Local NRA members said the group would fight Perata's bill.

Republican gubernatorial candidate Bill Simon said he opposes the measure. Gov. Gray Davis, the Democratic incumbent, has yet to take a position but has said he is against any new tax measures.


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KEYWORDS: 50cal; banglist; california; gunban
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To: JDoutrider
the IRA has between 2-5 .50 calibre Barrett sniper rifles due to American contacts, probably the same group that robbed the US Army Reserve barracks in the 1980's and supplied those Armalites to the IRA quartermasters.

I used to have documentation detailing the useage of these firearms by the IRA, data on the individuals killed with them, and the capture of one of the rifles but since lost it.

other than the IRA and whatever is left of the .50 cal's the US Government sent to the mujihadeens (sp) in Afghanistan, no other crimes have been committed with them that I know of. Even the .50 cal's that the Branch Davidians had were not used to shoot at the Feds at Waco (see the article above for more detail).


21 posted on 04/02/2002 9:09:45 AM PST by Benson_Carter
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To: realpatriot71
Dims are afraid that you will use it on DIMS! An armed society is still free. Dims want to take your money and give it to others, more deserving than you. They can't do that if you can hit them from 2,000 yard out.
22 posted on 04/02/2002 9:11:50 AM PST by jonascord
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To: JDoutrider
I hardly think someone needs a .50 cal to hunt deer....(barf)
23 posted on 04/02/2002 9:17:31 AM PST by Jethro Tull
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To: Jethro Tull
No, but it's FUN to fire a big bore. Some people just can't stand the thought of someone, somewhere doing something that they enjoy...
24 posted on 04/02/2002 9:23:49 AM PST by null and void
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To: Benson_Carter
Who is that crazed looking character in the picture? And, where are his safety glasses?
25 posted on 04/02/2002 9:25:45 AM PST by Barnacle
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To: null and void
I fired one on Saturday, have the empty cartridge for a souvenir. It is fun, but expensive. The rifles cost several thousand dollars, and I understand that the ammo is about $5 a round.
26 posted on 04/02/2002 9:27:47 AM PST by .38sw
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To: JDoutrider
All the State Legislators have to do in Cali is utter the magic words "...weapons of choice for Drug Dealers," and the people of California will beg them for more Gun Control!
27 posted on 04/02/2002 9:30:28 AM PST by Destructor
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To: Destructor
Why don't they just do an all-out ban of everything that goes "BANG" and get it over with?

No, that would be the honest thing to do.

28 posted on 04/02/2002 9:34:39 AM PST by Jerrybob
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To: JDoutrider
Humm. I remember my uncle used to have a .50 calibre rifle in one his gun cases, which we used to refer to as the "elephant gun." (He had gone on safari in Kenya long before that was judged politically correct, and had shot a water buffalo and a number of lions and leopards, though not an elephant as far as I know.) It was a remarkable weapon, very attractive to a small boy. Not a lot of them are used to hold up banks or in drive-by shootings, as far as I have heard.
29 posted on 04/02/2002 9:49:47 AM PST by Cicero
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To: JDoutrider
your Desert Eagle .50AE will be next
30 posted on 04/02/2002 10:19:01 AM PST by dredhawk
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To: JDoutrider
Dandy Don's a busy boy. Now he want to allow city and district attorneys access to DROS records of gun sales. Click here for info.
31 posted on 04/02/2002 10:20:34 AM PST by Redcloak
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To: JDoutrider
Easiest way to get around the .50 caliber ban.
Invent the .499 caliber rifle. A skinnier bullet should have better ballistic qualities.
32 posted on 04/02/2002 10:40:19 AM PST by Chewbacca
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To: Lazamataz
Because they are not 'gunning' for the criminal. They are after sportsmen who compete peacefully with this firearm. The antigunners love criminals but hate legitimate sportsmen.

You have greatly misjudged these folks. They're not out to stop you from having fun. They want to make sure that when they come to squash your "rebellion" - understand that your rebellioin will be trying to re-establish constitutional rule in the USA; something that has passed away long ago - they want to make sure you have a very difficult time stopping their armored vehicles.

33 posted on 04/02/2002 10:56:03 AM PST by HusbandMan
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To: HusbandMan
You have greatly misjudged these folks. They're not out to stop you from having fun. They want to make sure that when they come to squash your "rebellion" - understand that your rebellioin will be trying to re-establish constitutional rule in the USA; something that has passed away long ago - they want to make sure you have a very difficult time stopping their armored vehicles.

With today's array of hardware versus what we as civilians can scrape up, we better hope a lot of the military sides with us. The hardware we own is mostly inadequate to give pause to any but the most lightly-armed agencies.

34 posted on 04/02/2002 11:00:10 AM PST by Lazamataz
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To: Blood of Tyrants
I think that what we all have to start doing this fall is print up leaflets (Yes, with our own money! Paper is cheap remember.) and start handing them out to everybody that we see walking into gun stores, gun shows, and outdoor supply stores. We could start to pass out leaflets telling everybody that ANTI GUN DEMOCRATS and a few selected RINOS want gun bans in response to the terrorist attacks. Make them all look really stupid! Gun owners had an effect in 1994. I think that we could have a hell of an effect in 2002! Right now the Democrats are weak. Now is the time to hit them hard! Bring up the fact that self defense is a human right and DEMOCRATS are against people being able to use that right. DEMOCRATS and a few selected RINOS are against people being able to defend themselves.

Remind outdoors sportsmen about the taxes that DEMOCRATS want to impose on them. You could print up points like "DEMOCRAT Sen. so-and-so wants a five cent tax on every bullet that you buy including .22 ammo. What's going to prevent him or her from wanting twenty-five cents per bullet next year?"

I know that there is some really good stuff out there for printing up leaflets on the internet on sites like the Second Ammendment Sisters site. We have to remind the population of what the ANTI GUN DEMOCRATS and a few selected RINOS are all about. We have to hit these clowns hard this year!

35 posted on 04/02/2002 11:01:26 AM PST by dbehsman
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To: Jethro Tull
I hardly think someone needs a .50 cal to hunt deer....(barf)

I hunt deer with a .50 caliber rifle. Actually, a flintlock, to be more specific.

36 posted on 04/02/2002 11:02:55 AM PST by NittanyLion
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To: Blood of Tyrants
What a prick!
37 posted on 04/02/2002 11:05:16 AM PST by wardaddy
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To: Chewbacca; JDoutrider; Lazamataz; Squantos; harpseal; Noumenon
Not a .499

It'd be too hard to sleev a .50

Better to invent the .5001

It's MUCH easier to oversize a bore...

Hey, that's got a nice ring to it:

.5001


38 posted on 04/02/2002 11:11:07 AM PST by packrat01
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To: Chewbacca
Easiest way to get around the .50 caliber ban. Invent the .499 caliber rifle. A skinnier bullet should have better ballistic qualities.

I imagine we can expand the case size and powder charge at the same time. And when they ban that, we can neck it down to 0.48, and so on...

These windbag politicians are playing right into the hands of Barrett etc. I never wanted one of these rifles before, but if these @$$holes think it shouldn't be allowed, I'm going to get me one as soon as I can afford it.

-ccm

39 posted on 04/02/2002 11:11:51 AM PST by ccmay
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or a .30/.50 wildcat

I hear tell a friend of Elmer Keith tried it once...

40 posted on 04/02/2002 11:12:18 AM PST by packrat01
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