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I have heard Dr. Caner preach 3 times and would "highly recommend" getting the book Islam unveiled which he wrote with his brother. Then pass it along to others to educate them.
1 posted on 04/02/2002 5:19:53 AM PST by tutstar
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2 posted on 04/02/2002 5:22:53 AM PST by tutstar
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7 posted on 04/02/2002 5:45:57 AM PST by Alas
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Suggestion - send this article to Rush Limbaugh.
9 posted on 04/02/2002 6:07:30 AM PST by NotJustAnotherPrettyFace
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To: tutstar,monkeyshine; ipaq2000; Lent; veronica; Sabramerican; beowolf; Nachum; BenF; angelo...
PINGING!!!!!

If you want on or off me Israel/MidEast ping list please let me know.............

10 posted on 04/02/2002 6:10:12 AM PST by dennisw
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bump for later read
11 posted on 04/02/2002 6:14:54 AM PST by Ditter
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12 posted on 04/02/2002 6:30:39 AM PST by VOA
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"Ergun Caner: It doesn't contradict itself. Islam at its core is a religion of warfare. Muhammad was a warrior. We are taught to conquer. We are taught to fight. If anyone says in the media that Islam is a religion of peace, they either don't know their faith, don’t know the Koran, or they are lying."

Mohammed headed a robber band. His religion is a justification for doing what the head of a robber band does, stealing, murder, rape, sexual with 9 year old girls (no I'm not making that up).

Jews wouldn't recognize Mohammed as one of their prophets, so he murdered hundreds of them. Islam spread as a robber band grew and attacked their neighbors as sources of loot, slaves and sex.

Once it reached its limit, ie neighbors strong enough to stop them, Islam has stagnated. They're primarily parasitical and require a healthy body to live on. Where would Moslem North Africa and the Middle East be without oil revenues? They're living off stuff coming out of the ground and building nothing with the "free money". 4 million Israelis produce more than 100 million Arabs. At some point, we need to cut off their oil money, either take their oil or cut them off. They cannot handle the responsibility such great wealth and power oil brings to them. They can't handle reality.

13 posted on 04/02/2002 6:56:53 AM PST by Kermit
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Warraq, a former Muslim who now lives in Ohio, examines the major principles of the world's second largest religion, presenting a less than flattering picture of the faith and its followers. He analyzes factors that influenced the writing of the Koran, chronicles the rise of Islam, and criticizes the dark side of the faith with chapters on the Salman Rushdie affair, the oppression of women in Muslim society, the authoritarian nature of Islamic law, and the suppression of basic rights in many Muslim countries. Contains a glossary. Annotation copyright Book News, Inc. Portland, Or.


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4 of 5 stars Good start, but not flawless, May 3, 1998
Reviewer: M. N. Islam (mislam@pha.jhu.edu) from Baltimore, MD

I have, like Warraq, undertaken the odyssey past the "sea of faith"- from being a believing and religious Muslim to giving up Islam in my early adulthood. People like us can resonate the most with Warraq's thoughts. It's the first book I have seen, that goes beyond the shallow criticism of Islam that one sees in the media every day. It is also good to see that Islam is not presented as the evil threat to the Christian world in an inevitable clash of civilization. All superstition stands indicted as something that opposes and stunts reason.

The author is quite candid about his distaste for Islam. That's understandable. But on occasion, he tries to present Islam in the worst possible way. For example, he chooses the most damning translations of the Qur'an. Being a little generous wouldn't have hurt. There's still plenty that can be and should be critiqued.

I salute Mr.Warraq's courage and hard work in writing this book and giving vent to thoughts shared by many other silent apostates. He is not alone.
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1 of 5 stars Read good non-Muslim scholarship, not this nonsense, December 11, 1999
Reviewer: Kamran Pasha (see more about me) from New York

If you are interested in intelligent and objective scholarship on Islam written by non-Muslims, may I suggest excellent works by famous scholars such as Montgomery Watt, Karen Armstrong, and Annemarie Schimmel, all available on Amazon. John Esposito's book "Islam: The Straight Path" is an execellent example of an objective study of Islam by a non-Muslim. Ibn-Warraq recycles poor scholarship of turn-of-the century orientalists that has long been rejected by Western academics. One does not need to believe in a religion to treat its historical origins and current situation honestly. If you passionately believe that Muhammad was not a true Prophet of God, that's certainly your perogative. But at least be honest about the religion from a historical perspective. Negative generalizations of any community, particularly one that has 1 billion followers and continues to win converts faster than any other religion, is dishonest and silly. If your beliefs are true, whether you are a Christian, Muslim, atheist or whatever, they should be able to withstand objective scholarship about Islam that is not motivated by either a desire to proselytize or debunk. Ibn Warraq is motivated by hatred for Islam. Try reading some Western scholars who study Islam just for the sake of understanding the faith and its historical significance. If your faith (whether Muslim or non-Muslim) is strong, it will survive a fair rendering of history. Unfortunately, this book, is not a scholarly rendering of history, but a propaganda sheet.
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5 of 5 stars Truth is shoking to a Billion, March 15, 2002
Reviewer: (see more about me) from Astoria, NY United States

The Author in his book is telling the truth through documented texts of History as well as the views of great thinkers both Arabs and Western. This truth comes as a shok to millions of muslim who never learn any thing about their religion except that from their fanatic shekhs. Interesting to know that the auther has put a whole chapter in his book about the great Arab Philosopher and Poet El-Mua'ary who lived more than a 1000 years ago and wrote elegant poetry and prose critical and mocking of Islam and Mohamed, yet he was not excuted, for the political lif of the eastern medeterrainian was in turmoil and the rulers didn't have time to try him
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5 of 5 stars The Truth about Islam, March 12, 2002
Reviewer: A reader from Overland Park, KS United States

Ibn Warraq has written a masterful work that exposes Islam for what it is. I have found that in discussing Islam with Muslims most of them have a fairy tale belief in Mohammed and his message that has nothing to do with what the religion and its history is all about.

Not content to accept the author's word, I checked his sources and studied the Koran, itself. What I found in the actual Koran is very disturbing. The vengeful nature and violence of this "so called" faith is truly frightening and puts the events of 9/11 into perspective.
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15 posted on 04/02/2002 7:07:37 AM PST by Kermit
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Thank you for the flag! I was having a phone conversation with one of my closest Christian sisters last night, Saudi-Canadian. We were talking about our Father God and how different He is from the deception they teach in the koran. We were sounding just like Dr. Caner in this article. PRAISE THE LORD!
17 posted on 04/02/2002 7:29:38 AM PST by Prodigal Daughter
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Thanks for this info...
Erguns testimony lines up with history..turning from Islam could cost one everything..even there life.
The world in general lives in complete denial to the open reality of Islam...their violence is rationalized as some geopolitical construct.

Introducing the "REASON" Why Islam is so violent is met with contempt and laughter..Mankind in general refuses to believe in "Principalities and Powers".

The Spirit that rules over the Mid-east is known as the "Prince of Persia"..we find this confirmed via the Book of Daniel.
Lesser regional spirits..some having names which go back thousands of years,recorded for us...Ba-al whose seat of power is in Lebanon..Dagon,the God of the Philistines,Molech,Chemosh..etc.
Where ever these spirits reign..their presesnce is manifest in the people serving them,the result.."Human sacrifice"[Martyrdom]..violence..hate rhetoric..extortion..racism.
As mentioned..Ba-al..the God Jezebell brought to Israel from Lebanon via marriage to the Jewish king Ahab.
Lebanon...the litteral seat of "Terrorism"..One see's 200,000 psychopaths dressed in their death outfits..Hizbullah foams at the mouth like some "Rabid Animal".
Fom Gaza to Pakistan..this religion is led by fallen spirits ..fallen spirits at war with Heaven.

19 posted on 04/02/2002 9:00:49 AM PST by Light Speed
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http://goodnewsforisrael.org/events.html

I am just noticing they are having him preach again on Sept 27th - likely in Minnesota where GNFI is located.

MInnesota PING - I heartily recommend this event, or at least ordering his book, and a tape of the event. He is a delightful speaker with a wonderful sense of humor, and great passion for his faith!

33 posted on 09/07/2002 7:34:34 AM PDT by Terriergal
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OH wait a minute... it's just the Sabbath meal I think on the 27th, but they put it on the same page as the info about Caner... it's a little misleading.
34 posted on 09/07/2002 7:37:06 AM PDT by Terriergal
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35 posted on 06/24/2004 7:35:13 AM PDT by Rays_Dad
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another post I found on this Dr. Caner


38 posted on 02/13/2005 12:38:53 AM PST by Cronos (Never forget 9/11)
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It was offensive to me as a Muslim to say that Allah and Jehovah are the same. It is blasphemous to us as Christians.
39 posted on 02/13/2005 12:39:33 AM PST by Cronos (Never forget 9/11)
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