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Synagogue burnt down in Marseilles
BBC ^ | April 1, 2002

Posted on 03/31/2002 9:41:52 PM PST by Prodigal Son

A fire destroyed a synagogue in the southern French city of Marseilles later on Sunday, in what appears to be the latest in a wave of attacks against Jewish targets across the country.

Police have yet to comment on the cause of the blaze which destroyed the building in the Mediterranean port city, the French news agency AFP reports.

In attacks in other cities, shots were fired at a kosher butcher's and two other synagogues were damaged in what Jewish leaders are seeing as a pattern of violence.

A leader of France's Jewish community said the attacks were warning signs that anti-Semitism reminiscent of the Nazi era could sweep the country.

The fire in Marseilles on Sunday night was condemned by Clement Yana of the French Jewish Representative Committee.

"This is not an accident," he said. "The fire took hold in several places. It was done with petrol. This is an anti-Semitic act."

The earlier attacks all came within 24 hours each hours of each other at the weekend in or near major cities.

'Profoundly worried'

No-one has been hurt in the attacks, though there was a report of a Jewish couple being assaulted in the town of Villeurbanne, in the Rhone region, causing the woman to spend the night in hospital.

Jean Kahn, president of the Central Board of French Jews, said events were reminiscent of "Kristallnacht" - the name given to the night of 9 November, 1938, when German mobs embarked on a rampage of anti-Semitic violence with the backing of Adolf Hitler's Nazi government.

The Jewish Central Consistory in Paris said it was "profoundly worried by the repeated attacks on French synagogues," and called on the government immediately to step up protection of Jewish buildings and institutions.

The attacks came during the Jewish festival of Passover and followed a surge of violence in the Middle East.

Prime Minister Lionel Jospin condemned the Lyon attack as "spineless and absurd".

"I will not accept the spread of racism and anti-Semitism in our country," he said.

President Jacques Chirac also denounced the violence but denied there was a spirit of anti-Semitism in France.

Police in various areas have strengthened security around Jewish buildings.

Israeli leaders - including Prime Minister Ariel Sharon - have said French anti-Semitism is on the rise, but the government in Paris argues that the attacks are mainly the work of Muslims of North African origin and must be seen in the context of the Israeli-Palestinian conflict.

Marseilles has a particularly large Muslim community.


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To: Prodigal Son; Nogbad
Marseilles is well over 50% Arab.

Marseilles is also the city with the highest support for the Front Nationale. Every Muslim born in France also gives birth to another Front Nationale voter.

61 posted on 04/01/2002 8:00:26 AM PST by Loyalist
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To: Nogbad
Marseilles is well over 50% Arab

kinda reminds one of CALIFORNIA, where for the last coupla years WHITES are less than 50% of population....

62 posted on 04/01/2002 8:09:54 AM PST by 1234
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To: CatoRenasci
Was L'Affaire Dreyfuss really about anti-semitism first and foremost? I understand that the French have either had their country's political system either be dominated by Huguenots & Jewish French families, or by the Catholic industrialists lke Schneider-Creusot etc., as happened under Napoleon III & Vichy, at least until the 60s.

An understanding that I find credible is that at the time, circles within circles existed in the French army, to keep practicing & devout Catholics out of the officers' corps. The fear was that their loyalty to Rome transcended that of faith and morals. The affaire des fiches, in the early 1910s, during the course of which it was revealed that a NGO outside of the army had or had access to files on all the soldiers whose main content was their religous beliefs come to mind. In the time of Ultramontagnism and the like this was a prudent, if very controversial, policy.

Anyway, the gist of this alternative explanation is that there was clear evidence that someone had been selling out aux Boches, and the politicians demanded that someone go to Devil's Island. The perp, being a member of this unofficial army within an army whose protection went all the way to the top, threatened to spill the beans, and thus someone else had to be a fall guy. Captain Dreyfuss just happened to be semi-plausibly linkable with the crime, less-connected, and have a German surname.

Rather than to open the can of worms of an unreligious republic having circles within circles to prevent a "Catholic" takeover, Dreyfuss' defenders, rightfully aghast that an innocent man was found guilty, chose, in the spirit of the times, to portray his struggle as part of the struggle for Jewish emancipation, which it was not.

The idea of having a reactionary pope of the likes of Pius X, installed at the request of the Habsburgs, command his minions in the French government gives me the shivers; I can comprehend at that time the need for religious discrimination. I do, however, wonder at the same time, if World War 1 would have been the same senseless meat-grinder had there been Catholics in the officers corps who had the informal means to confer with their counterparts in the other armies, and declare que ca suffit! France's victory in that war was greatly Pyrrhic.

In my opinion, it is not an irony of history, but a correlation of cause and effect that Pius X, installed against the wishes of the conclave during a time of anarchists, lived to see the war that would destroy the empire whose mouthpiece he'd been erupt. His kingdom should not have been of this world.

63 posted on 04/01/2002 8:10:07 AM PST by a history buff
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To: Francohio
But don't let the left-wing media kid you: this is Muslim terrorism and you can blame it on 50 years of unregulated immigration and two generations of diversity-minded left-wing goverments.

I still can't believe there's not one mention in the media about the perps. One thing that interests me is that to this point nobody has claimed responsibility. So, maybe it isn't an organized effort and more of a spontaneous thing from individuals copy-catting off one another. I wonder if the press will try to let this one smoulder out in hopes that we get interested in something else?

64 posted on 04/01/2002 8:12:57 AM PST by Prodigal Son
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To: egomeimihi
Historical amnesia. In the 8th and 9th centuries France was instrumental in stopping the spread of Islamic invaders into Europe, in particular at Poitiers and later during the reign of Charlemagne. Would that the French remember (and revive) their past glory...

But you're showing some historical amnesia yourself. For most of the centuries after that period, French kings were often unofficially allied with various Islamic states. These alliances allowed France to tie up the various Hapsburg states that threatened French kings on almost every border. Hapsburg princes in Vienna, Madrid and Naples were forced to spend money and forces on dealing with the Turks instead of Paris.

65 posted on 04/01/2002 9:03:34 AM PST by LenS
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To: Francohio
Frightening, isn't it? Western Europe is going down the same path to hell that the US is going (diversity, multiculturalism, etc)- my goodness, even Denmark is getting swamped by Turd World invaders. Looks like Russia/Eastern Europe is going to be the last, best hope of Western Civilization, unless we wake up- and time is running out.

Contrary to what was posted earler, France is only about 12% Muslime at this point, but the immigration continues and Muslimes tend, paraphrasing Charles De Gaulle, breed like rabbits. I give France 50 years before the French are a minority in their own homeland.

66 posted on 04/01/2002 9:55:56 AM PST by Phillip Augustus
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To: Loyalist
Good. That's the only party willing to confront and combat the scenario I describe above.
67 posted on 04/01/2002 9:57:14 AM PST by Phillip Augustus
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To: Francohio
France wanted Algerie Francaise,
and they got it,
Algeria moved to France.

Guess why
the French are
at best
lukewarm supporters
of the war on terrorism.

68 posted on 04/01/2002 10:06:37 AM PST by Nogbad
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To: wita
I wrote the first draft without the word "radical" inserted and then remembered... Islam is PeaceTM. Didn't want my comment to get pulled for leaving out ONE little word. We all know... but cannot say the truth. Islam is not really... peaceful.

With very view exceptions nationally, the only "peaceful" muslim, is one who is asleep, visiting allah permanently, or so secular they have one wife, who wears miniskirts in public, and drinks beer, watches TV and goes to movies or eats barbequed pork, like the rest of us... in other words... a NON practicing one.

Now you know why I inserted the word "radical"... and now, I can go have a beer. Cheers!

70 posted on 04/01/2002 12:14:38 PM PST by Robert_Paulson2
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To: Nogbad
Marseilles is well over 50% Arab.

OK. So there should be plenty of mosques to burn down in retaliation.

If the Jews of Marseille have any balls, they should would down every mosque in town, and shoot to kill any Arab approaching a synogogue in the future. Only then will they be left alone.

71 posted on 04/01/2002 12:31:16 PM PST by montag813
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To: a history buff
There is certainly much truth in your description of the efforts to keep the ultramontagne out of higher positions in the post-1871 army, but remember, the backbone of the career officer corps remained aristocratic (and hence mostly Catholic) until the First World War.

I studied this period of French history with Roger Williams, a noted historian of the Second Empire (his best known book was Gaslight and Shadow: The World of Napoleon III) and Third Republic (he published an anthology on the Dreyfuss Affair). His view, which seemed pretty well thought out to me at the time, and which I have no reason to doubt, was that while anti-semitism may not have triggered finding a scapegoat to protect the actual criminal (though some evidence suggests otherwise), certainly was the reason the Affair took the course it did.

72 posted on 04/01/2002 1:20:39 PM PST by CatoRenasci
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To: the_Watchman
Oil is an interesting bargaining chip. I do not believe Europeans have their own supply.

British Petroleum now owns Amaco. The next stockholders meeting in April will be held in London. I'm curious to know how many of our natural resources are owned by foreign interests -- notably the British and Scotts. Granted, Amaco relies on foreign oil -- it's just that I was surprised to see Sir This and Sir That now on the Amaco Board of Directors.

73 posted on 04/01/2002 2:07:00 PM PST by EverOnward
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To: Phillip Augustus
Looks like Russia/Eastern Europe is going to be the last, best hope of Western Civilization, unless we wake up- and time is running out.

Hmm. China: 1.2 billon people and rising. Russia: 145 million and falling daily. Assuming China and Islam divvy up Russia, China gets the Aussies and Kiwis, Islam gets Europe, and the Hispanics get North America, the future looks pretty grim for whitey.

74 posted on 04/01/2002 2:34:22 PM PST by adx
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To: Robert_Paulson2
or so secular they have one wife, who wears miniskirts in public, and drinks beer,
watches TV and goes to movies or eats barbequed pork, like the rest of us...

You have just described most of the Turks I know.

75 posted on 04/01/2002 3:29:56 PM PST by Nogbad
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To: Nogbad
yup... and turkey is our ally. Religion is okay as long as you keep the fundamentalist types OUT of poltics, and government. When Turkish fundies get "out of control" they are "straightened out" pretty quickly.

Islamic states, that seek to advance, must follow the example set by Turkey. Turkey, I believe is one of Israel's closest military allies.

God forbid that we let Russia and Turkey become better allies to Israel, than we are.

Good point you raised. There ARE moderate muslims. Smart ones who realize that fundamentalist jargon, needs to be jettisoned, ignored, or cut out of the Quran for good.

76 posted on 04/01/2002 3:37:18 PM PST by Robert_Paulson2
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To: adx
Russia and Eastern Europe at this point are not being hit with massive Third World immigration. Thus, there is still hope over there. Actually, France and Western Europe have hope as well, but time is running out. I believe, in America, the die has already been cast. I predict interesting times for America in 30 to 50 years, and I hope to still be around to see them, if, for no other reason to say "I told you so" to the diversity freaks.
77 posted on 04/01/2002 6:50:05 PM PST by Phillip Augustus
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To: Robert_Paulson2
As Islam cuts off their oil, and Europe bleats, I doubt Islam will let it off the hook.

Hmmm... Islamic Oil Could Be Effective Weapon, Iran Says.

78 posted on 04/01/2002 8:00:52 PM PST by Prodigal Son
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To: Phillip Augustus
...I believe, in America, the die has already been cast.

you express it well-hope i can afford a choice as to the milieu for my progeny; expect it not to be stateside, unfortunately....

79 posted on 04/02/2002 4:11:03 AM PST by 1234
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To: CatoRenasci
I was unaware that the aristocrats still dominated the officer's corps at that time. The Dreyfuss affair certainly did become a prism through which Hebrew emancipation was debated throughout the country.

Before I'd dare contradict your teachers I'd want to read a lot more about the affair.

An analogy, perhaps flawed, that comes to mind, is that of the fate of J. Robert Oppenheimer. The official version, of which much has been made, was that he was the subject of a witch hunt during a time of hysteria about American Communists. Left unsaid is that at the time the Army and Air Force were wrangling about which service should control our nuclear arsenal, and which defense contractors should stock it. JRO had stayed with the army after the air force was spun off and was seen as being the army's ranking scientist or close to that; all his detractors, (Bethe, Rabi and Teller) who testified against him were air force men, his defenders army men. While the words spoken on Capitol Hill were all about the political theories of a man versed in nuclear physics and Hindu vedas, the unspoken battle, which historians by and large ignore, was about which keiretsu should arm us with fissile materials.

The idiocy of the entire Dreyfuss trial, and the absurdities to which the French army went, makes me suspect something similar was afoot. I feel that somewhere in that courtroom, there was an elephant.

80 posted on 04/02/2002 8:17:28 AM PST by a history buff
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