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March 31, 2002 UPDATE

As of yesterday, not one dime has been given to the Laura Recovery Center as promised per sources in San Diego....

Paging Bill Libby, please explain.....

Shameful actions.......


1 posted on 03/31/2002 1:52:13 PM PST by FresnoDA
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To: MizSterious;spectre;Amore;Travis McGee;BunnySlippers;Doughtyone;Hillary's Lovely Legs;Snow Bunny...
PING...) ) ) SHOW US THE MONEY, VD's!!!
2 posted on 03/31/2002 1:52:58 PM PST by FresnoDA
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To: MizSterious;spectre;Jaded;Amore

Interesting....Douglas Pierce has made several provocative statements about his visit to the VD house, just days after the disappearance.

These recent statements seem to be even more puzzling....comments from VD freepers please.....

"Van Dam Suspicions"
Douglas Pierce recent comments on Websleuths......

He was the man who entered the Van Dam residence shortly after the crime and was horrified at what he saw. He noticed the Van Dams rehearsing lines, saw the blue PJs being folded and was overall shocked at the behavior of the parents.

Why would he lie in a case involving murder/kidnapping. This would involve criminal charges pertaining to perjury if he were called as a witness, tampering with evidence, obstruction of justice, etc.

Here is SOME of what he had to say.

- The page saying "Daddy please love me" had been torn out and was in damon's nightstand in the master bedroom

-The journal had been placed in the bookshelf and Brenda had to find it for Pierce to look at.

-The last entry there was "I am thinking of a shady place, blue sky and green grass, a safe place."

-Her journal was titled:Goodwill Ambassador

-On 2/6/02 While in the VD house, Pierce heard PR people say "What are we going to do about Brenda and Westerfield?"

-When Pierce left the house that day, he said the VD's knew she wasn't coming back.

-Danielle's room was sealed after 2/6-2/7. Only dog gate and door was open prior. He was allowed to go in.

-Pierce speculates that "We will learn Danielle was killed in her room"

- In reference to the $10,000 he offered. Damon replied to him "My boys are worth more than $10,000."

Pierce said "My organization can only help with that much. I am confused, your boys are being protected today Right?"
(there was no comment)

"It's Danielle that is missing, Right?"

Pierce said a hush went over the whole house.

-Damon was verbally abusive and treated Brenda like crap. He was very controlling, aggressive and threatening.

- While in the home that day Brenda's dad said Danielle was dead... he doesn't know why he said it... maybe out of angst.

-Damon has 2 totally different personalities. His control is silent.

In the 7 hrs DP was in the house, Brenda 4 times and Damon 3 times, referred to Danielle in past tense "She Was....."

He also said to go to www.mcf.tv on Saturday, to post more information. This is the website of his organization.

Now, are people going to question this man's account...

(who had nothing to do with the case, and would only be stepping into serious criminal charges by lying)...

and believe the words of Damon and Brenda who have contradicted each other under oath, have their own guests contradicting their testimony, have multiple eye witnesses contradicting their testimony, have given multiple stories in interviews, etc.

AND THIS IS THE VICTIM'S FAMILY??!! I would expect such behavior from the Defendant.

You can believe who you want. It's a free country. But I am just laying out what was said. I am just the messenger here on this one.


Now for my 2-cents:

From Damon's DIRECT ACCOUNTS (all versions taken together), there is about a 30 minute window of opportunity open for this crime to have been done by "an intruder".

I will not post why this is, because I do not know who is reading and do not want to furnish any "study material".

Damon is guilty. That is my opinion. And DW was an unfortunate victim by going about his normal routine, and having Damon point his behavior out as "suspicious". Then distributing flyers within miles of where the body was found, so as to guide the search over there. Remember, it was "on a hunch" that they decided to look on Dehesa Rd.

Just like it "was suggested" by someone to investigate DW.

Close to 200 prints were found in the RV. This sounds like a playplace for neighborhood kids. It was there so long, DW was forced to remove it to a remote location. Most likely concerned parents who knew kids used it as a "fort" or as a hide-and-go-seek place.

DWs jacket was rumored to be over the back of the driver's seat. That was where he kept it. Blood was found on the lapel and the curtain above the steering wheel.

For a child with frequent nosebleeds (Danielle, as BVD attested to) and plenty of time to leave a speck of blood, this is not unusual at all.

The trip was his normal behavior.
The drycleaners were his normal cleaners. He was known by first name there.

Damon left the side garage door open after he dragged Danielle out so as not to get her DNA on him. Into the Van. Upon returning home he went in the front door and forgot he left the side garage door open. He did not close it, because he would not want a bloody handprint/DNA on the door knob.

Brenda found the side door open. This was true.

But this would not allow time for an intruder and Damon knows that.

Brenda's true alarm light story did not allow time for DW, because DW had an alibi at that time.

So Damon made up the later alarm breach to show a window of opportunity. And to say "the alarm light story has been misreported". Which is BS. They gave two separate DIRECT QUOTE accounts!

So he then had to make up the 2nd alarm light. Which kept moving later and later. In the AMW interview, it was as late as 3:45am!

Then the ol' "magnet and screwdriver test" to show "even if there WAS no alarm breach in the morning after I'd walked by Danielle's room 4 times in letting the dog in/out, he STILL could have gotten in with a child's magnet and screwdriver... yeah... that's it."

Anyway, I could go on and on about this. But there are too many things to list and I am tired of typing.

I am sure this will receive flack and others will agree.

It's just my opinion.

By the way, here's a pic of the streetlight on the street:

But these Pierce observations are very incriminating in my book. Since I do not trust the VDs one bit, and see that Pierce has a strong incentive to not lie (criminal charges, etc.), I believe what he is saying and claiming to all the world.

To lie about such a thing is very serious indeed.


3 posted on 03/31/2002 1:59:57 PM PST by FresnoDA
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To: FresnoDA
The family hasn't decided how to use the remaining $24,000.

Maybe prepay some dues at the CB swingers club????

9 posted on 03/31/2002 2:37:58 PM PST by demsux
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To: FresnoDA
I'm not convinced of DW's guilt beyond a reasonable doubt at this time yet and I probably won't be until the prosecution can come up with a scenario that puts him in the VD house in the middle of the night and then taking the girl out of it with him.

BTW, if one is interested in how the money is being distributed out of the "rescue fund," one might want to check how BVD's recent charges at the local Nordstrom's store are being paid. Got to look nice for those upcoming court appearances, doncha know.

21 posted on 03/31/2002 3:43:12 PM PST by SamKeck
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To: FresnoDA
That just really ticks me off. The Laura Recovery Center busts it's rear-end to help find missing children. They are johnny-on-the-spot to get search teams organized etc., whenever a child goes missing. I still hurt for the parents of Laura Smithers who is the namesake of the organization. Laura was abducted and her body found months later. There was never a moment Laura's parents' grief was questioned by anyone, because it was so real you were hurting too. Just thinking about her mother pleading on TV is bringing tears to my eyes now. Theu didn't have PR people, just family and friends when they were too distraught to talk. There were no lies, just the truth to try and find their daughter. I hurt for poor Danielle, but the VD's have left me sick with their lies and disposition. They should give every freaking dime of that 24,000 to the Laura Recovery Center. They sure as sh#@ better not use that money for attorney fees.
24 posted on 03/31/2002 4:00:44 PM PST by Lanza
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To: FresnoDA
I don't have anything to add at this time. I do think the Van Dams' innocense is highly suspect. It's the mousey behavior of Damon and the hard as nails demeaner of Brenda that influence me. I can't dismiss the idea that Westerfield had a thing going on between him and the Van Dams. I also note that the child was nearly five feet tall. This leads me to wonder if someone was having to silence the child. Look, I'm making no acusations, but it occurs to me that mom, dad and an assortment of friends were sexual hounds perpetually in search of the fox. Everything is on the table as far as I am concerned. I've said this before, so it's nothing new. I only hope the truth is revealed in this case.
31 posted on 03/31/2002 5:01:21 PM PST by DoughtyOne
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To: FresnoDA
Here's an interesting wrinkle:


Retirement benefits too good to ignore

By Joe Hughes
UNION-TRIBUNE STAFF WRITER

March 30, 2002

One officer spent more than 40 years with the San Diego Police Department, a record for the agency. Another spent 34 years on the force and oversaw the Danielle van Dam investigation.

In all, eight senior San Diego police officers will be turning in their badges within a week, taking with them about 300 years of experience.

Police officials cannot remember another instance when so many veterans with so much experience left the department at the same time.

More retirements of longtime veterans may soon follow.

The reason for the exodus, police say, is an enhanced retirement policy that allows officers to retire with up to 90 percent of their salary after 30 years of service.

"There is some concern because we are losing an awful lot of good people," said Bill Farrar, president of the San Diego Police Officers Association. "You can teach people how to do the job, but so much of it is experience."

Capt. Cheryl A. Meyers, who supervises the department's personnel division, said police must become more aggressive in recruiting and may have to start looking for officers beyond state lines.

"We also are considering bringing back some of the people who have retired, under a provisional officers program, to work 90-day periods in some departments," Meyers said. Similar programs have been tried elsewhere.

San Diego's isn't the only police department facing a loss of leadership. Police agencies throughout California have implemented similar retirement plans, lest they become less competitive in recruiting.

The California commission on Police Officers Standards and Training, a Sacramento-based organization that sets statewide standards on training and advises departments on policies, is working with local officials in developing strategies to improve recruiting and retention.

Recruiting is expensive. San Diego officials estimate it costs about $100,000 to recruit and train an officer.

Officers who are leaving say the lure of retirement was too strong to ignore.

"I'm going to play golf, spend some time with the grandkids and smell the roses," said Capt. Ronald G. Newman, 60, who left yesterday.

Lt. Richard Bennett, 58, also left yesterday. He has spent more than 40 years with the department, surpassing by 12 days the record for longevity held by Officer George Pringle, who retired in 1936, according to Steve Willard of the San Diego Police Historical Association.

A graduate of Mission Bay High School, Bennett said he made his move into law enforcement through journalism.

During a high school journalism class, he was assigned to do a story on a now-defunct police cadet program. As part of the story, he applied to become a cadet and was accepted at the age of 18.

He later became a sworn officer.

"I never dreamed I'd be here 40 years," said Bennett, a supervisor in the narcotics division. "It's been a great ride."

Newman headed the Danielle van Dam case and has been involved with more than 900 homicide cases during his tenure. The soft-spoken, Hoover High School graduate who now lives in Escondido also has been the department's spokesman in explaining the recent rash of officer-involved shootings.

He never shot anyone in his career. Last month, however, he had his gun in hand in the middle of a busy downtown freeway, facing an ex-con begging him to shoot. The matter was resolved peacefully.

Co-workers said Newman's forte was getting homicide suspects to talk. He became one of the best in the business at obtaining confessions.

"About 80 percent of all homicide suspects give incriminating statements during police interviews," Newman said. He would use those statements to get suspects to divulge more information.

Newman's peers said the veteran detective's secret was his compassionate personality. Simply put, he got criminals to relax.

Newman said his approach invokes common sense.

"People would be surprised at the number of times just getting someone a cup of coffee brings results; it's more difficult for you to turn down someone who is decent to you."

Others retiring are Lt. Bill Hoover, 58, who spent 34 years on the force; Sgt. Wesley Ashcraft, 60, who spent 33 years on the force; Detective Phil Cooper, 60, who spent 35 years on the force; Detective Gary Reichle, 56, who spent 34 years on the force; Detective Eduardo Medina, 57, who spent 29 years on the force; and Gary Yoshonis, 59, who spent 35 years on the force.

Source

35 posted on 03/31/2002 5:46:57 PM PST by MizSterious
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To: FresnoDA
"And they are writing a $5,000 check to the Laura Recovery Center, which coordinated the search for Danielle.

The family hasn't decided how to use the remaining $24,000."

This much seems very clear. The van Dams lied again. Perhaps they felt they needed to replenish their swinging supplies instead of payig for the people who did their best to help them find their daughter.

The people who donated this money have every right to feel ripped off. True enough, the website did state that it would be used at the van Dams' discretion, but I think most people expected it to be put to use either to find Danielle, or to help find other children. Especially when they told the press that is what they would do with at least $5,000 of it.

Like I said, these people have a lot of class. It's just all low class.

45 posted on 03/31/2002 6:57:58 PM PST by MizSterious
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