Posted on 03/28/2002 8:02:29 PM PST by Excuse_My_Bellicosity
SUMMARY: A 17-year-old Denver girl was viciously slashed Tuesday afternoon, and the word "dyke" was carved into her forearm with a razor.
A 17-year-old Denver girl was viciously slashed Tuesday afternoon, and the word "dyke" was carved into her forearm with a razor, media outlets in Colorado report.
According to the Rocky Mountain News and ABC News, April Mora was walking to a store through an alley near her house at about 2 p.m. Tuesday, when she encountered three teen-age white males in a black Honda. When Mora stopped to look at the car, the teens began calling her "dyke" and hazing her, and Mora gave the passengers a dirty look. The driver then pulled over, and two of the teens got out and dragged Mora to the ground, one holding a knife to her throat.
"Two guys got out of the car, and (one) held me down, while the other guy was cutting something in me," Mora told ABC. "The driver was yelling stuff to them and telling them what to do."
Mora's face was repeatedly slashed, and the letters "RIP" were cut into her stomach. When she screamed, the Rocky Mountain News reports, one of the men flicked her tongue with the blade. The boy with the knife said: "You're lucky we don't rape you."
After awhile, the driver called the others back into the car, leaving Mora face down and covered with blood. Mora, who lives with her girlfriend's family, made her way home, where the Quintana family called an ambulance.
According to Denise de Percin, head of the Colorado Anti-Violence Program, Mora was released and is not in any danger of losing her life. Although the wounds may have been skin-deep, they were extensive and frightening to experience. A photo in the Rocky Mountain News shows the face of an attractive young woman, with close cropped hair, and numerous red welts across her forehead and cheeks.
"I was scared," Mora told the News. "I didn't know what these guys were going to do."
Although the Mora attack was unusual, de Percin said that violence against gay and lesbian youth is common in Colorado, as in fact it is everywhere. The state has been the scene of two high-profile crimes, the murder of Fred Martinez Jr., and the assault on Kyle Skyock in Rifle.
Last January, de Percin reports, 16-year-old Kapree Brown of Denver was beaten up by over a dozen assailants. "People beat you up and leave physical scars," said Brown. "But when it's because of who you are, it's the emotional scars that stay with you forever."
Why not? Because that is the bias of your own tastes? A piercing through the body is a piercing through the body. Just because you find some more acceptable than others doesn't change that.
95% of the females you know are body pierced? Where do you hang out, the Hell's Angels club house?
You disagree? What percentage of the women you know do NOT have pierced ears? Oh, I forgot ..pierced ears are acceptable, pierced anything else is not ...
As with tattoos, they are self-mutilation in the sense that a decision is made to do it. I don't believe anyone held a gun to her head and made her do it.
Probably 95% of all the women you know and a goodly percentage of the men have piercings of some sort. Does that imply they are into self-mutilation?
It depends on how it's done. Ear piercing is the norm in women, though I personally find it excessive to have multiple ear piercings. I do not think piercings else where are normal. I do not think tattoos on women are normal.
I did not mean to imply anything other than to make the observation that at least twice in her life, she had disfiguring actions performed on her body at her request.
I've had long talks with my girl friend about this and she feels the same way I do. That matters. I could care less about you think.
Marla Hanson. Thank You. That's who I was trying to remember in post #96.
Travis, I think you might be thinking of the famous Central Park "Wilding" attack on the white jogger who was raped, brutalized and left for dead in the 1980s. That case resembles the details you recalled.
You have a serious lack of reading comprehension ability, don't you?
I think your reliance on the literal is helping you miss the point. It is certainly self-mutilation. These procedures are self-mutilation using the skilled hands of someone else as the instrument of the ritual. When you see those umbulooMuloo natives running long rods through their cheeks, with the helpful hands of their friends giving a good shove on the other end, it's still considered self mutilation. It is self-directed.
Probably 95% of all the women you know and a goodly percentage of the men have piercings of some sort. Does that imply they are into self-mutilation?
Maybe 95% of all the women you know but certainly, your statistics are unreliable. Besides, how does the number of people undergoing this procedure relate to the question of wether or not it is self-mutilation? If one person cuts off their ear or 500 people cut off their ear, it doesn't become less of a self-mutilating act the more people do it. You just have a bigger pile of ears lopped off by self-mutilators.
Which of course, is what I found objectionable about the post: the implication that anyone who has a piercing or tattoo is prone to slicing themselves up with a razor. A ridiculous implication if one gives any thought to the matter. More likely a refelection of the posters own bias against piercings anywhere other than the female ear.
People willing to subject themselves to maiming and permanent scarring to suit the fickle fashion of their peers do not really rate among the strongest, most stable characters in the culture. Quite the opposite really. It shows a willingness to harm oneself in the vain and pathetic hope that their blood sacrifice will buy them a seat at the "accepted" table.
Do you consider 'boob jobs' among that category? How about shaving? electrolysis? Surgery? Where do you draw the line?
It's very revealing that you used the word 'normal', exactly as I predicted. It's not a matter of the factual basis of your statement, but a matter of your own tastes, and that you denigrate those who have differing tastes.
You really think there is no difference between an earing through the non venous lower ear lobe and the "lip discs" of certain Amazonian tribes, or multiple spiked studs nailed through a punk's face? None at all, just a subtle matter of "taste"?
I was recently off 20% in a recalled figure and was accused of lying about the issue.
Oh, all right, you're forgiven.
As somebody else pointed out, it sounds like you had a little Central Park jogger mixed in there, too.
My point is that "people" like these attackers may prefer to attack white women, but they're usually perfectly willing to attack women of color, too.
and let me say that I appreciate your logical and civil post. Further, I agree with everything you said, for the most part.
My point is that altair or whatever his name is, was making a sweeping, generalized value judgement simply because this woman's body decorations run counter to his own tastes.
Those tastes change over time. Just because the location of the piercings changed from ears to nose to lips to wherever and he doesn't approve of the new location, doesn't mean one is a piercing (or self-mutilation) and the other isn't.
He simply finds one acceptable and the other unacceptable, and further insinuates that anyone who's tastes are unacceptable to him is a masochistic psychopath. That's about as reasonable as implying that anyone named Charles is a sadistic mass murderer because Manson was.
Oh my!
Mind if I play through? While I personally don't understand it, many clean, respectable "normal" woman have pieced ears. The body piercing, tatooing thing came down from the drug addict/sado-masochist/hooker culture. It's trashy looking to most people. Sorry, but it is.
Boob jobs yes. Shaving no. Electrolysis no. Surgery yes. None of those are in the same category as body piercing and tattoos. You could add hair dying to a non-human color too, but that's reversible. IsItTimeYet made a very good explanation in post #146. I basically draw the line where it is an action that cannot be undone.
Yes, I do have a bias against piercing anywhere other than the female earlobe. So what?
you denigrate those who have differing tastes
Whatever. It was her decision to change her appearance outside the norm, not mine. I don't know whether she's telling the truth or not. If she is, then I hope they catch the animals who did it to her. If she is not, then I hope she is prosecuted to the full extent of the law.
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