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(FReeper) Alzona accused of "Trivializing Mass Murder" by Washington comPost editorial columnist
The Washington Post ^ | March 2002 | Colby King

Posted on 03/28/2002 4:15:03 PM PST by Hail Caesar

Edited on 09/03/2002 4:50:11 AM PDT by Jim Robinson. [history]

"Trivializing Mass Murder"

By Colbert I. King Saturday, March 23, 2002; Page A21 Augustus Alzona of Montgomery County, a prominent figure in the news as of late, is a political wannabe who won't take no for an answer. . . . . . . . to become a Republican member of the Maryland House of Delegates in 1994. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . Undeterred, Alzona, a self-described conservative, presented himself four years later as a candidate for the Maryland state Senate. Brian Frosh, his Democratic opponent, easily dispatched him by a 2-1 margin.


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TOPICS: Constitution/Conservatism; Culture/Society; Extended News; Front Page News; News/Current Events; Political Humor/Cartoons; Politics/Elections; US: Maryland; US: Virginia
KEYWORDS: alamin; augustusalzona; banglist; conservative; guncontrolfreaks; gunrights; libertarians; melbrooks; nazis; ownerregistration; republican; rkba; totalitarian; trt; unlist; washingtonpost
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To: Hail Caesar
Alzona BUMP!
81 posted on 03/28/2002 10:00:26 PM PST by brat
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To: concerned about politics
Republican officials have started proceedings to remove Alzona from his position on the local Republican Central Committee.

Names. We need names of these people. Who is siding with the Nazi gun grabbers?

The members of the Montgomery County Republican Central Committee are elected by voters, in the regular primary elections. There is no provision for removal. There were rumblings and local newspaper mention of attempt to have the Committee formally call for Mr. Alzona to resign, or to censure him. The Committee met at their regular monthly meeting Tuesday night. There were about a dozen members of the public present, including at least a few Freepers. At the start of the meeting, all the public observers were invited to make any comments. Everyone did, and all expressed support for Mr. Alzona. About midway through the meeting, it became clear to at least some observers that the chairman was trying to ensure that any further discussion of the matter would be held in closed executive session. A few of the observers left, including a couple with quite harsh parting comments. The Committee later gave observers another opportunity to comment. The executive session commenced, and none of the expected condemnatory motions were offered. From the downstairs lobby, it was clear that there was some boisterous discussion going on in the meeting room. The Committee did agree to a statement for the press, noting that Mr. Alzona was not speaking for the Committee. There were about 15 committee members present, and one of them told me later that about 60% of them supported Mr. Alzona.

Many of the committee members later chatted with the two of us who waited until meeting ended. Mr. Alzona was very gracious, as were the others I spoke with.

82 posted on 03/28/2002 10:32:13 PM PST by Steve Schulin
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To: Hail Caesar
Apologize? Sure... why not? How about right after these three apologize for pushing Nazi-style gun laws?
83 posted on 03/28/2002 11:53:59 PM PST by Redcloak
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To: Caligirl for Bush
I'm sure he fantasizes about it. His daddy loved the NAZIs, I heard.
84 posted on 03/29/2002 1:07:00 AM PST by Twodees
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To: Hail Caesar
bump to the top.
85 posted on 03/29/2002 2:11:43 AM PST by Dec31,1999
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To: Hail Caesar
Absolutely not. But the media should apologize for not printing the LTE's supporting him and for not acknowledging that the Nazi's used gun registration and licensing to perpetrate the Holocaust.
86 posted on 03/29/2002 2:38:27 AM PST by Abundy
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To: Hail Caesar
Well, of course anything that is critical of the Democrats and their enormously harmful political agenda is going to be always labeled "hate speech." This just goes to show that:

YOU CAN'T GET ALONG WITH DEMOCRATS!!!!

I'm sure one way or another all of us will come to accept this reality and recognize this. The post continues to show themselves to be way out of touch with B.S. and C.F. like this.

87 posted on 03/29/2002 2:42:19 AM PST by E.G.C.
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To: Hail Caesar
Actually, after three runs for public office in a liberal district. he's grown rather weary of continuing to be treated merely as cannon fodder for the GOP. :-(

Advocates against tyrrany appreciate Alzona's heroic efforts to disseminate this very powerful message. Perhaps the original flier, or a similar one with the same message, could be uploaded to the internet where anyone can make copies and distribute them. The fliers could be distributed under widsheild wipers in parking lots everywhere.

It's time to TURN UP the heat!

Images and/or slogans are VERY powerful.

Apologize? Hell NO!

88 posted on 03/29/2002 2:43:16 AM PST by Dec31,1999
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To: Registered; E.G.C.
Flag.
89 posted on 03/29/2002 2:45:52 AM PST by Dec31,1999
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To: Hail Caesar
Absolutely not. But the media should apologize for not printing the LTE's supporting him and for not acknowledging that the Nazi's used gun registration and licensing to perpetrate the Holocaust.

Sent this letter to the author, make sure Gus sees it and knows that many of us in Maryland support his use of the flyer:

Mr. King,

How about a little journalistic integrity on your part? As an American you have the absolute Right to be offended by his comparison of the proposed legislation's proponents to the Nazis. But as a Journalist you have an obligation to the truth.

In this issue, the truth happens to be on Mr. Alonza's side. The Nazis used already existing licensing and registration laws to round up all firearms from the Jews. Once disarmed, they used the same lists to perpetrate the Holocaust. Don't take my word for it, read "Registration: The Nazi Paradigm" by Stephen Pl Halbrook, Ph.D., J.D. at www.stephenhalbrook.com/registration_article/registration.html.

Even more offensive, to the truth, prosecuting a criminal for violating firearms licensing and registration laws has already been declared unconstitutional in 1968 by the US Supreme Court. That's right; violations of such laws can only be prosecuted when committed by previously law-abiding citizens. These laws violate the Fifth Amendment Rights of criminals. Don't take my word for it, read HAYNES v. UNITED STATES, 390 U.S. 85 (1968), which said "We hold that a proper claim of the constitutional privilege against self-incrimination provides a full defense to prosecutions either for failure to register a firearm under 5841 or for possession of an unregistered firearm under 5851."

Further, licensing and registration laws have already been used to confiscate firearms in Washington, D.C.; New York city, California and Maryland. Law abiding gun owners were told to register their firearms, but that the lists would never be used to confiscate them. Political winds subsequently changed and the lists were used to do exactly that. Maryland and California's confiscation is occurring even as I write this letter. In Maryland, the State Police are confiscating previously legally purchased firearms (the purchases being approved by the Maryland State Police) without compensating the individuals for their property; without search warrants and without allowing the owners time to challenge their decision in Court - all because the Attorney General has decided to retroactively apply a change in the law regarding firearms disability. That should offend anyone on the Right or the Left, as it undermines basic Constitutional principals.

Those of us that recognize the red-headed step-child of Civil Rights, the Second Amendment, have long known these facts and cannot get the media to acknowledge them. We are often called "nazis" by such "moderate organizations" as CeaseFire, The Million Mom March, Marylanders Against Handgun Abuse, The Violence Prevention Center and the Brady Campaign.

When this dust-up started I sent the following letter to several newspapers - did any of them print it? Hell no. The facts are too damaging to their agendas. I implore you to take the time to look at what I have said. Regardless of your personal opinions, you have an obligation to the truth - just like those delegates have an obligation to the truth and the Constitution.

Before you write me off as a knuckle-dragging, one-eyebrowed, right-wing, militia redneck - know that I'm a former police officer and now an attorney.

My letter follows:

So Messer’s. Morrella, Frosh, Van Hollen and Shriver are offended by the comparison of their proposed laws to the Nazi firearms regulations? Tough.

They are politicians with an obligation to the Constitution and the Truth. If they don't like the fact that they are pursuing an agenda right out of the Third Reich's playbook then maybe they should re-examine their positions on the issue of licensing and registration of firearms owners and their affiliations with radical organizations like CeaseFire, The Million Mom March, Marylanders Against Handgun Abuse, The Violence Prevention Center and the Brady Campaign.

All of these organizations and their leaders have advocated publicly, at least on one occasion, that their ultimate goal is to render illegal the private possession of firearms by non-military and police. All of these organizations intend to bring this goal about incrementally, by passing one law after another "for the children" that have nothing to do with criminals and only affect law-abiding individuals.

Prosecuting a criminal for violating firearms licensing and registration laws has already been declared unconstitutional in 1968 by the US Supreme Court. That's right; violations of such laws can only be prosecuted when committed by previously law-abiding citizens. These laws violate the Fifth Amendment Rights of criminals. Don't take my word for it, read HAYNES v. UNITED STATES, 390 U.S. 85 (1968), which said "We hold that a proper claim of the constitutional privilege against self-incrimination provides a full defense to prosecutions either for failure to register a firearm under 5841 or for possession of an unregistered firearm under 5851."

Gun control zealots in these organizations know this and don't care, because they aren't concerned with prosecuting criminals - they are only concerned about making criminals out of gun owners. The above-named politicians either have the same agenda or have been grossly negligent with their obligation to the constitutional rights of their law-abiding constituency.

What does this have to do with Mr. Alonza's flyer? Well, the Nazi's used the firearms registration lists of law-abiding Jews to first round up their firearms and then later round up the Jews themselves. Don't take my word for it, read "Registration: The Nazi Paradigm" by Stephen Pl Halbrook, Ph.D., J.D. at www.stephenhalbrook.com/registration_article/registration.html. Such laws will never take hold in this country, because I, and 80 million other firearms owners, will never, ever, allow a government to license my rights. That's my Right as a Citizen and my obligation to the Constitution as an attorney. We won't register our firearms, nor will we allow ourselves to be licensed. We will fight every attempt to infringe these rights by these radicals with lawsuits. We will also use the truth to expose the politicians who lie in bed and prostitute their position in defiance of our Rights and the truth. Sometimes, as in the case of this flyer, the truth is ugly and offensive to those who are on the wrong side of it.

By God's Grace the politicians will not abdicate their obligations to our Rights and the lawsuits won't fail because there isn't enough jail space to hold 80 million innocent people.

____


90 posted on 03/29/2002 3:01:01 AM PST by Abundy
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To: Hail Caesar
Unfortunately, it appears that it will take guns to teach our politicians what NO means.

Which is why they want to outlaw them. It's much easier to rule over an uneducated disarmed population.

And the socialist media will do all it can to help them.

What's that guys name Pecker Jennings.

91 posted on 03/29/2002 3:18:18 AM PST by Eustace
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To: Hail Caesar
"Should Alzona apologize?"

HC, NO!! Tell him to copy Aaron Zelman's Response and spread it liberally. Peace and love, George.

92 posted on 03/29/2002 3:42:25 AM PST by George Frm Br00klyn Park
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To: a_witness
Why?
93 posted on 03/29/2002 3:45:48 AM PST by sport
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To: a_witness
"Concur
Alzona was wrong to use Nazi symbols."

AW, I agree with most responses on this thread. Alzona used parody to make a valid comparison. Also, it was the NAZIs who used the "media" in large part to demonize a people in order to justify their future eradication. Alzona was RIGHT and CORRECT!! Peace and love, George.

94 posted on 03/29/2002 3:54:04 AM PST by George Frm Br00klyn Park
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To: Hail Caesar; all
Colbert I. King

The Washington Post

1150 15th Street Northwest

Washington DC 20071

Subject—Augustus Alzona article

Dear Mr. King,

Like so many of the columnists on your paper, it's obvious that you're another pompous liberal gasbag. You obviously looked up Gus' entire life history to write your hit piece on him.

I've known Gus for several years and would say he's guilty of only one thing--attempting to present an alternative to the liberal orthodoxy that prevails in both major parties in Montgomery County. Of course Brian Frosh beat him 2 to 1 in a liberal Bethesda district. Ellen Sauerbrey, a centrist candidate who would easily win as Governor of Virginia, was defeated 2 to 1 in all of Montgomery County and by more than 2 to 1 in the 16th district. Gus did not seek the endorsement of the NRA in the school board race nor did he run away from that endorsement, but so what if they did endorse him?

Gus and I are both members of the NRA. During the 1960s, both Montgomery Blair and Bethesda-Chevy Chase High schools had rifle teams. The Montgomery County recreation department gave a ten-week 30-hour junior riflery class on a weekday evening at Blair for interested youth who didn't have a rifle range or program at their high schools, in my case Wheaton High. Taught by a long-time Army sergeant under the auspices of the NRA, the course emphasized, above all, safety and having a serious and cautious attitude about firearms at all times. Several of the students in this class enlisted in the military right after high school and later expressed that the class gave them a leg up on the marksmanship they would need in combat. Gus took a similar class at DC's Woodrow Wilson High School as part of the Junior ROTC program. It is a testament to political correctness and a blind dislike of guns that these programs have long since been cancelled. The widespread ownership of firearms--rifles, shotguns, and handguns by responsible citizens, including youth old enough to serve in the military, is a social good, not an evil to be mitigated by social engineering.

Liberals like you yammer for restrictions on gun ownership. Had you been writing at the time, you would have approved of the Nazis’ actions on guns but you would have wailed about freedom of the press when, in due course, they censored your column and newspaper.

But going to the heart of the matter, the poster with the politicians in Nazi uniforms, I would say this: The Nazi takeover of Germany and the extermination of Jews and others regarded as undesirable sub-humans was facilitated by the licensing of gun owners and registration of guns that had already taken place during the Weimar Republic--the kind of licensing and registration that Shriver, Frosh, Van Hollen and just about all of the Montgomery County delegation to Annapolis advocate. No doubt politicians during that time thought these measures were good for public order and maybe even "for the children" although that buzzword phrase had not yet been coined. Their actions ensured that a few years later, the Nazis would be able to expeditiously confiscate guns from all civilians except for their chosen party members. Liberals like you no doubt argue that citizens with small arms could have done nothing to resist the Nazi military juggernaut but the valiant fighters of the Warsaw ghetto prove you wrong. Maybe the folks in the poster aren't Nazis but they are and would have been their handmaidens.

I advised Gus to do three things. First, forget about stupid nonsense like the Montgomery County Committee on "Hate Violence." I wouldn't waste a minute's time on an exercise in political correctness such as this nor should any other right thinking citizen. Second, get on with your life and don't waste your time and effort attempting to serve the people of Montgomery County. They think that blowing more and more money on the public schools as test scores decline and having slap-on-the-wrist justice for violent criminals but persecuting honest, conscientious citizens who own guns is just marvelous. Their, your, and the Washington Post's idea of political choice is between liberal Connie Morella and ultra liberals like Van Hollen and Shriver. Finally, apologize to no one in this matter, particularly to namby-pambies like you. I wouldn't.

95 posted on 03/29/2002 4:05:15 AM PST by GunsareOK
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To: Antoninus
The e-mail didn't work for me. If that's the case for anyone else, the Compost's mailing address is:

The Washington Post

1150 15th Street Northwest

Washington DC 20071

96 posted on 03/29/2002 4:14:47 AM PST by GunsareOK
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To: Hail Caesar
For Heaven's sake what would anyone expect that dung heap to say??
Tell me anyone would be surprised if Salon came out & flamed this guy.
~Right.

Now as for an *apology*?
HA!
You've got to be kidding.
If it were me they *all* would be told, & in no uncertain terms, to kiss my royal ass.
Then, I'd be going after the quisling RINO -- & you know of which one I speak -- loaded for bear, hammer & tong -- stopping only when I had the SOB's head on a pike.

In this war?
It's about high-time people understand (& accept) there are no prisoners being taken.
The opposition means to destroy the lives & careers of any & all who'd stand in their way of disarming our nation.
...so that one day, their dark socialist forces may waltz right-on in??

Well all I gotta say to that, is; "Nuts."

97 posted on 03/29/2002 4:19:24 AM PST by Landru
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To: Hail Caesar
This move does reflect that frustration, if I can be so straightforward. However, I certainly understand the frustration. After all, I'm from Seattle.
98 posted on 03/29/2002 4:24:12 AM PST by anniegetyourgun
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To: Hail Caesar
NO APOLOGY.

These statists know exactly how close this flier hits to home, which is exactly why they're screeching so loud and so long.
When you're catching this amount of flak, you know you're right over the target.

STAND FAST.


99 posted on 03/29/2002 4:32:37 AM PST by Joe Brower
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To: Joe Brower, GunsareOK, ALL
Alzona asked me to express his thanks to you and everyone here for your brave and kind support.

100 posted on 03/29/2002 4:37:06 AM PST by Hail Caesar
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