Super-Conspirators Rule World, Icke Says

The Vancouver Sun ^ | 3/26/02 | Doug Ward

[marshmallow]

Author blames almost everything on the Illuminati, who he says want to create fascist global state  

The terrorist attacks on New York and Washington were undertaken by the Illuminati -- the human descendants of alien reptiles who want to create a global fascist state. So was Pearl Harbor, the assassination of John F. Kennedy and the death of Princess Diana. George W. Bush was a member of Yale University's secret Skull and Bones Club. So was his father, former president George Bush, and both are gofers for the Illuminati. So is British Prime Minister Tony Blair.

Welcome to Conspiracy Nation: the country of David Icke, an author and speaker who has created a lucrative global audience for himself by gathering every conspiracy theory available into one all-encompassing super-conspiracy.

In Icke's view, it's no accident that 9/11 is also the number for emergency. Numerology and ritual codes are, after all, a big part of the Illuminati's modus operandi. The Illuminati are also fond of symbols such as twin towers (read: the World Trade Center) -- a symbol that goes back to ancient times.

These were among the revelations Icke delivered to thousands of people who listened to his speeches on Saturday, Sunday and Monday at the Vancouver East Cinema.

The Canadian Jewish Congress had urged the owner of the Vancouver East cinema to cancel the appearances, fearful that Icke's "Illuminati" is code for the international Jewish conspiracy.

Most of Icke's Vancouver devotees, however, were not traditional anti-Semitic types: older rural far-right fanatics or neo-Nazi white power skinheads.

Instead, most of Icke's followers were well-educated, New Age-y, non-racists who have come to doubt the official government line. Many are readers of local New Age journals like Shared Vision and Common Ground, which advertised Icke's visit. Many share the anti-globalization, anti-corporate view of much of the political left.

However, many have adopted the conspiratorial -- almost paranoid -- perspective of the far-right.

Icke's evil-doers are also the favourite targets of the American far-right groups: the Freemasons, the Rothschilds and other Jewish banking elites, the Catholic hierarchy, the Rockefellers, the Israeli secret police, and various business and public policy think tanks and associations, including the Council on Foreign Relations, the Trilateral Commission and the Bilderberg meeting of international movers and shakers.

The gist of Icke's message is that the motor of history is run by small cabals of bad people.

All social conflicts -- the Second World War, the Sept. 11 attacks, you name it -- are manipulated by the Illuminati and their henchmen. George W. Bush knew the attacks were coming -- that's why he was talking to Florida school kids when they happened. U.S. military jets capable of intercepting the hijacked planes were deliberately held back so the attacks could occur and give Washington a pretext to attack Afghanistan and launch a protracted war against terrorism.

Chidakash Street attended one of Icke's five-hour sessions this weekend. He runs Serenity by the Sea, a year-round retreat on Galiano Island that offers bodywork, reiki and crystal toning. Street said he was attracted to Icke because he too had doubts about the official line on world events.

"This stuff rattles around in my brain and drives me crazy. And so along comes David Icke and he puts it all together."

Street dismissed recent charges reported in The Vancouver Sun about Icke being anti-Semitic. Street noted The Sun is owned by Southam Publications Inc. and that the Southam corporate logo -- a torch -- sometimes appears on The Sun's editorial page.

"The torch is a sign of the Illuminati," said Street, adding the torch on the Statue of Liberty in New York City was "presented by Freemasons, which is the club of the Illuminati."

Street added that "all you got to do is spend one hour on the Internet plugging in these words and seeing where it leads you and you will find that what he is putting out isn't a theory that Icke has concocted."

Patrick Coady, a vice-president of two local dot-coms, came across Icke's writings while researching reports about the CIA selling drugs in Central America.

Coady has no problem accepting the existence of the Illuminati. "The Illuminati is one term. I've also seen them referred to as the world management team. It's basically large groups of rich people, Freemasons and the Council of Rome. It's a loose term for the group that controls most of the media, most of the large transnational corporations and banks, groups that have pushed for free trade."

On Icke's view that the Illuminati descended from reptilian space aliens, Coady was more ambivalent. "But I do know that if you take a look at the bloodlines of the royalty, and the bloodlines of most of the very powerful people in business and in government around the world, they all seemed to have intermarried. They don't seem to mingle with the general population."

Heather-Anne Briton, who was attracted to Icke's speech by an ad in Common Ground, said she isn't sure if she believes all of Icke's theories, but "he does give you a wider perspective on what could be going on."

Briton added the concept of the Illuminati has credibility given the spread of globalization. "Canadians voted down free trade and we got it anyway. So there has to be something to that."

And then there's B.C. Premier Gordon Campbell. "He said that protest is part of democracy, but I think democracy is listening to what we're saying. They're suppose to listen to us, but they aren't. And so, yes, I think there is somebody else pulling the strings."

That many of Icke's local followers are liberal-minded people shaped by the '60s counter-culture is more worrisome to the Canadian Jewish Congress than if his fans were all rabid neo-Nazis.

"It's much more scary to us," said CJC vice-chair Mark Wexler. "This is a largely liberal or communitarian group seeking spiritual development and they have been led astray by Icke. The New Age approach correlates intelligence with paranoia. The idea is that on the Web there are secret bits of information and that somewhere all of these secrets come together and make sense."

[nopardons]

I was waiting, with baited breathe, for this one, you poor benighted fool. You are believing something, which was not only disproved centuries ago, but the progenitor of that spurious anti-Semitic piece of filth which sent millions to their deaths durinng WW II !

No serious histori, believes that the French Revolution was caused by a conspiracy of Masons, Jews , and / or the Iluminati. J.J. Mounier , in 1801 stated : " VERY COMPLICATED CAUSES WERE REPLACED BY SIMPLE CAUSES WITHIN THE GRASP OF THE MOST IDLE AND MOST SUPERFICIAL MINDS " He was sticking his fingrs through the gaping holes, of those who fell for the propaganda. You need to know some history; soooooo here , for the millionth time, are the facts of the matter.

In 1788 , a French , Roman Catholic priest, one Abbe Baruel, having fled to England, wrote a pamflet : " THE PROTOCOLS OF THE ELDERS OF ZION " ... yes, dear THAT one, which was later expanded into book form, and used by Hitler, Henry Ford, Poles, Russians, etc. to defame / harm / and kill Jews . In this nefarious , spurious piece of utter filth, he blamed the French Revolution, on Masons and Jews ! Were some of those , who spurred on that Revolution Masons ? Yes, they were. The VAST majority of OUR Founding Fathers were as well ! Were they also members of the Illuminatti ? NOPE ! Were either or both revolutions part and parcal of some " secret " , world dominating plot by some world wide Masonic cabal ? NO !

Now, I know , you desperately want to believe this bovine excrement. You thoroughly enjoy calling me names . I told you before, that believing as you do, you should be VERY afraid of me, and I wasn't kidding, dear. ALL OF THE MALES, IN MY FAMILY, FOR GENERATIONS, HAVE BEEN MASONS ! NOT JUST FREEMASONS, BUT 32 AND 33 DEGREE MASONS !

If you now decide to heap the usual impugnations upon me, and the FREEPERS who are Masons ( and yes, there ARE 33 degee Masons here , as well as lesser degreed ones ! ), you will be beaking psting rules and WILL be turned in to the authorities that be, and get a tongue lashing from me.

You WAKE UP ! You get your head out of the malignant ooze, which the gullible swallow as whole clothe. You stop being conned . You come to grips with the facts ! It is people, such as yourself, who because they aren't part of a secret society, nor what they consider an " inside circle " , or the higest realms of governent, will gladly credit them as being " evil ", working against you, and or whatever the flavor of the month of specious propaganda happens to be . You are as responsible, as thse who actually did commit horrible acts, because you are part of the same mind set. Yes, I am talking about the Nazis, and every other group, who for millenia, has pursicuted Jews and heaped calumny upon the Masons.

As an aside, I have been to the NATIONAL MASONIC MUSEUM . It's in N.Y.C. and very interesting. I have seen the KING JAMES Bible, that Washington took the oath of office on. It's a REGULAR King James Bible; NOT some boggetty, boggetty thing. Masons do NOT worship the devil ! Please don't show how stupid you are, by saying that I wouldn't know . YOU DON'T KNOW !

Now, crawl back under that slimey rock , you came out from under, and unwind soe of that tinfoil. You're sufferring from oxygen deprivation ; or worse.

[Fred Mertz]

Any comments on reply #110 would be appreciated.

[aristeides]

The Abbé Barruel certainly did not write the Protocols of the Elders of Zion, which was a production of the Russian Tsarist secret police around 1900, having had a French predecessor around 1870. Barruel's work was Mémoires pour servir à l'histoire du jacobinisme [Memoirs on the History of Jacobinism]. I haven't read it, so I can't swear that it casts no blame on the Jews for the French Revolution. But its reputation is that it blames the Freemasons.

By the way, the Freemasons were certainly not unconnected with the origins of the French Revolution, and especially of Jacobinism. I have before me the chapter on "Clubs and Popular Societies" in the English translation of Furet and Ozouf's Critical Dictionary of the French Revolution. It assigns a prominent role to Masonic lodges.

[nopardons]

I hate to burst your bubble ; however, the Abbe did indeed write the original " THE PROTOCOLS OF THE ELDERS OF ZION " ; in panphlet form. It was later expanded , turned into a book, in Russian, decaded later, and is what most people think of now, when that title is talked about. I have several acknowledged authorities , that say so ; NOT some whck job net site. The Abbe blamed Jews AND Masons. Yes, I have read, in the original French and English translations, the Abbe's works ... not just one of them.

Yes, I have aready said that some of the fomentors of the French Revolution were Masons. I have also stated that it was NOT some sort of world wide Masonic OWO / NWO game plan.

Hitler was a vegetarian. That statement doesn't automaticaaly then compute into " ALL VEGETARIANS ARE NAZIS ! " ; however , that is exactly what conspiracy mongers have done with Masons and Jews, for centuries .

[aristeides]

What you say about the origin of the Protocols is certainly not what I have read. If you can provide any source or authority for your claim that the Abbé Barruel is the original author, I will look at it, and consider whether I might be wrong.

[nopardons]

My sources are books. If you want the titles and authors, I'll FREEPmail them to you. At least one, I fear, is out of print, since I bought more than 30 years ago.

[2sheep]

>Any comments on reply #110 would be appreciated.

1.  I haven't read all the links in #110 yet but generally read things posted by It'salmosttolate.  Read, eat the hay and spit out the straw.  No one knows everything but we can learn here a little, there a little.  The globalists tend to produce info on both sides of an issue and it is difficult to tell who is true and who is false.  Pray for guidance.  Many people write lies...and post them.

2.  When an extremely high number of shills show up on a thread, it tends to indicate that the issue they are obscuring is true or partially so.

3.  Ditto for lots of tinfoil posts.

4.  Here are some links on propaganda techniques which are important reading.  Many are demonstrated on this thread:

 25 Rules of Disinformation
 The Science of Modern Propaganda
 Propaganda Techniques
 Propaganda, Deception & Demagoguery
 The Soviet Art of Brainwashing

5. Some subjects are not discussable on this forum.  Some groups have protected status under the Rodney King umbrella, i.e. "Why can't we all get along?"  (Because evil is incarnate in some people and groups.)  You can tell who they are by who has been banned and for what and what posts have been deleted.

6. Yeshua said most people would be deceived and Take heed that no man deceive you. (Mt. 24:4).  That is YOUR responsibility, not HIS.  See also 2Co 11:3 and 2Th 2:3.  The current push from the UN and globalists is to get all the sheeple of "one mind" ...deceived, so that they are easier to round-up.  The apostate church has joined in urging ecumenicism with unbelievers, paving the middle road which will be spewed out.  Don't join them.  The only agendas that seem to have a consensus are the UN, Luciferian, occultists and the like.  See Gaia: The re-ordering of the world

7.  It has become pointless to argue.  No one is changing their opinions on anything; some are just yelling louder, some with the intent to deceive others.  Pray a lot, put an axe to all sin in your life, live a godly life and Zep 2:3 Seek ye the LORD, all ye meek of the earth, which have wrought his judgment; seek righteousness, seek meekness: it may be ye shall be hid in the day of the LORD'S anger.

Here'a a good link:  The Grand Deception (LONG, MUST READ)

[JudyB1938]

Bump

[Consort]

Beware of the memes and the monsters from the id.

[2sheep]

I said "eat the hat and spit out the straw," however, one has to spit out giant bales with Ickes.  After getting an idea of what he says, I don't go there except for some interesting things about symbols.  He is a magician with smoke and mirrors and from the start I have distrusted his conclusions and don't accept his reptilian agenda.  If any reptilians manifest themselves they are demonic, not aliens from other planets.  There are many better sites about the Illuminati than his.  I was mainly commenting on the links generally in #110.  There very clearly IS a globalist agenda and it is Luciferian just as Hitler's was.

[DrLiberty]

"Now, I know , you desperately want to believe this bovine excrement. You thoroughly enjoy calling me names . I told you before, that believing as you do, you should be VERY afraid of me, and I wasn't kidding, dear. ALL OF THE MALES, IN MY FAMILY, FOR GENERATIONS, HAVE BEEN MASONS ! NOT JUST FREEMASONS, BUT 32 AND 33 DEGREE MASONS !"

Oh, the sheer drama of it all!!! SIEG HEIL!!!

"If you now decide to heap the usual impugnations upon me, and the FREEPERS who are Masons ( and yes, there ARE 33 degee Masons here , as well as lesser degreed ones ! ), you will be beaking psting rules and WILL be turned in to the authorities that be, and get a tongue lashing from me."

How very "enlightened" of you! Yes, you and your kind are just so much more advanced than us poor commoners, who you so look down upon for being so stupid not to figure out the games you play and the symbols you hide behind and communicate your true intentions with.

You try to threaten me with the very powers you claim not to have. Are you going to pull some of your Masonic "apronstrings" and what have me banned from Freerepublic? Or maybe I'll be removed from my abode at 11:11 PM on the thirteenth day of the month, in the manner of Captain Morgan, who broke the oath he took to your lodge and revealed your true inner workings, by having his throat slit or heart removed or whatever it is that is done to a traitor to your cause.

I have attempted to have serious discourse on this forum and with you, and all I get back is drivel, impugnations, and threats. Well, you should be very afraid of me too, nopardons, because I am in league with The Lord of Lords and The King of Kings, who rose again on Easter Sunday, and defeated Lucifer once and for all.

Answer me this, who is Albert Pike? He was the Grand Supreme Sovereign (or some such designation) the head of all Masons in the World. He wrote "Morals and Dogma" which has been held up as a prime encapsulation of all things Masonic and was at one time given to all initiates of the Lodge. In that book, which is very long, he makes the statements as to applying the seething energies of Lucifer, etc. and it is quite clear to anyone who has read new age material and esoteric occult readings of those like Helena Blavatsky, just what the Masons are worshipping in their rituals, which are very similar to those of witchcraft.

Why do you think that in any bookstore you find Masonic books and literature alongside those of The New Age, Astrology, or Witchcraft? It is because they all have a similar genesis -directly antithetical to Christianity.

I take great offense at being portrayed as a NAZI and just as guilty of the crimes they committed, just for having opinions and posting verifiable information. But I will brandish a silver sword and throw garlic and crosses anywhere they are needed. Analyze that!

So threaten me no more. Take an honest look at yourself. Go back and read your hysterical responses to me. Then tell me who is truly sitting on the right hand side of the Lord.

As the initiates say, "So be it".

[DrLiberty]

"And your sources for that, and SChippers source? Did you hear him say it, yourself?" in reponse to my post that David Schippers had tried to warn John Ashcroft on the coming terror attack on the WTC on 9/11, from FBI agents and info he received.

Yes, Dave S. heard it from his mouth on the Alex Jones Show. If you go to Alex's website www.infowars.com, they have a transcript of it there, and you can probably find a realaudio file also if you look.

So what makes me think that you won't?

[nopardons]

Well let's see now, just who is the hysteric; shall we ?

I happen to be a Christian and a woman, so there goes two of your silly responses. The King of England ( when there have been kings on the throne ) , is ot onlt a Christian, he is the HEAD of the Anglican church, ANF , they have alw3ays een FREEMASONS. There, anoher ploy. shot down in flames.

Bookstores ? They lump all sorts of things together, without rhyme or reason, and since so many of the boos out nw, about Masonry is the type of absolute drivel, which spuriously claim that Masonry is ... ooooooooooo ... actually " devil worship " ( that stuff was started by a pope and a king of France, against the Knights Templar , because they wanted the Templars' " fortune " , didn't want to pay back loans, and for pwer, BTW. Do look it all up. No, not in a " Masonic " book ; in a plain , old history book ! ) , " occult " , etc., bookstores stick those books in the " occult " section .

Hmmmmmmm , silver swords, crucifixes, and garlic ? What ,no " holy water " ? Now Masons are vampires ? What next, the blood libel used against the Jews ... FreeMasons kill Christen babies, for their " holy rites " ? YOU NEED HELP, AND A LOT OF IT !

Oh right, the abuse button is here for decoration ,or to only be used by crack pots, like you. How silly of me to have forgotten.

Yes, yes, my grandfather and his brothers ruled the world. What could I have been thinking of ? No wonder I wore a bejewled crown, growing up and was bowed to and had my hand kissed. Really, as I sit in my palace, and tell President Bush, Cheney, Rumsfeld , et al, just how to proceed, I must now also remember the exact time and date that you wish to be sent into oblivion. ROTFLOL

[2sheep]

>>>How very "enlightened" of you!

Or how very "illuminated" of her. 

Good post, as are your others on this thread!  Nice work.  nopardons has spent so much time on other threads defending wiccans and now defending Masons that it is clear what she worships.

[DrLiberty]

Why thank you, kind sir!

Just doing my part in my own little way.

I have to admit to drawing some inspiration from the Vampire movie "Blade II" which I saw last night. Not a very good movie, but then, there are a lot of vampires spreading around out there, and its good to see them represented in their truest light, not glorified for once. By the way, not to give away the plot, but it draws quite heavily on the writings of the Illuminati golden boy, Hegel.

Eagles Up!

[DrLiberty]

Go read "Morals and Dogma" by Albert Pike and then tell me I'm wrong. Or any of the works of Alfred Mackey, another great Masonic author.

Or just a stones throw away in a related vein, the writings of one Alistair Crowley, or "666" as he liked to call himself. I'm sure that you're familiar with him, what with your being a Christian and all...

wink wink, nudge nudge

Now, be a good girl and click your heels 3 times and say "there's no place like home, there's no place like home..."

Oh wait a sec, you had another role in that movie. Watch out for those flying houses, they're doom.

[nopardons]

I have ALWAYS defended Masons, as you very well know; especially, since I have done so against your posts .

Defended Wiccians ? As in how ? By telling the truth, against lies ? Yes, I've done that, but spent little time in doing so , compared to the time YOU have spent breaking some of the Ten Commandments. I see that you are , yet again bearing false witness. Shame on you.

[Dave S]

2. When an extremely high number of shills show up on a thread, it tends to indicate that the issue they are obscuring is true or partially so.

3. Ditto for lots of tinfoil posts.

Oh how great it must be that you can delude yourself into believing all the tin foil mail and other jabs you get is a result of guess what, surprise surprise, another conspriacy. Geez. Dont you guys realize that you gather a crowd because its so much fun to polk fun at "normally" intelligent folk who are so gullible. You guys are great entertainment.

[2sheep]

I wrote:

2. When an extremely high number of shills show up on a thread, it tends to indicate that the issue they are obscuring is true or partially so.
3. Ditto for lots of tinfoil posts

You wrote: Above rant.

Throw a rock in a pack and the first dog that yelps is the one hit.  You yelped.

[jamaksin]

To chime in here - my first direct contact with "Pearl Harbor" is now over fifty years ago.

I claim no particular expertise on the topic, but I have "tracked" the continuous debate.

The current "generation" of debate - fueled by books from Mr. Stinnett and Mr. Wilford, the material accessible via the Internet, the FOIA mechanism, ... etc. continue to push for answers and "final" resolution. They also point out that even after sixty plus years a myriad of documentation remains missing, partial, multiated or still classified.

From my perspective, after all these years, the only way possible to explain Pearl Harbor is that Kimmel and Short were scapegoated. IT was not a surprise.

The why's and wherefore's are a different matter.

Given the information known at the time, e.g., the Bomb Plots, the break-off in negotiations, the order to destroy the code machines ... none of which Kimmel nor Short were told about ... and for the moment excusing the military code and radio silent pseudo-positons ... how could FDR and his War Cabinet NOT HAVE KNOWN!