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To: sheltonmac
Good luck, my friend. This should get interesting.
To: sheltonmac
Thanks for the lecture...
3 posted on
03/28/2002 8:08:45 AM PST by
Dog
To: sheltonmac
You have opened up a can of worms- - - get ready.
4 posted on
03/28/2002 8:09:17 AM PST by
stanz
To: sheltonmac
Uh, you haven't been alone, Sheltonmac, in hitting the President on CFR and other issues. You have the "Bush can do no wrong" crowd here, but a vocal contingent has been critical of many of the President's actions.
5 posted on
03/28/2002 8:09:59 AM PST by
Clemenza
To: sheltonmac;
CheneyChick; vikingchick; Victoria Delsoul; WIMom; one_particular_harbour...
(((ping))))
To: ouroboros; Snuffington; Inspector Harry Callahan; Greg 4TCP; Loopy; cva66snipe; Askel5; ppaul...
Are we really supposed to "support" the president when he signs a bill that cracks down on free speech and boosts support for political incumbents? Are we supposed to "support" the president when he increases education spending by epic proportions? Are we supposed to "support" the president when he champions legislation like the Patriot Act? Standing up for smaller government has nothing to do with party loyalty. Taking a tip from our president's stance on terrorism, let me just say that you are either for the Constitution or you are against it.
To: sheltonmac
I made the mistake of posting my displeasure of Bush signing the CFR bill on a Bush Babe thread. Boy was that a mistake. I actually said that I still respect him etc. but I was disappointed. Man was that a mistake. Some of those "women" make the Klinton Kool-Aid Brigadetm look like amateurs...
To: sheltonmac
FWIW, I agree with you completely. I try as hard as possible to hold politicians to the same standard regardless of their political affiliation. I would be outraged if Clinton had signed this bill, and so the sae goes for Bush.
To: sheltonmac
This person supports the president so much that he or she is willing to overlook the clear unconstitutionality of the Incumbent Protection Act. The president ignored his oath of office and deliberately signed an unconstitutional piece of legislation as part of some well-concealed strategy? Please. It's not well concealed, it's fairly obvious to the undoltish.
Yes, most of the Bill is unconstitutional, So what happens if Bush Vetoes it? The bill gets packed away in Dassholes desk drawer until....A new president comes along and will sign it, and for his trouble, the biggest 2 proponents of the bill,McAnus, and the Mainstream media, Bash the living crap out of him, rekindle their love affair, give him an asspain primary in'03-'04, and use the issue to cost him ground in the middle against his Dem opponent in '04. Oh yes, and it also makes it a campaign issue for the 38 Republicans that voted agianst it in the Senate,where by my count, we need a net gain of 1 seat in '02 to have control.
OTOH, sign the Bill, The media is happy, so they leave him alone, McCain has NO SIGNATURE ISSUE to push himself into the Primaries, or to draw media attention, and when the Court shreds the bill, it will be DEAD. Not Vetoed and Waiting for another President.
Your way stalls the passing of the bill, His way Kills it, and helps to solidify Conservative Ground for the Next 2 election cycles.
Fairly obvious, when you take reality into account, rather than tilting at windmills in search of utopia, like MR. Magoo, playing Don Quixote.
11 posted on
03/28/2002 8:12:28 AM PST by
hobbes1
To: sheltonmac
Let's get these out of the way...
Bush is a genius... he MEANT to divide the GOP to throw the Dems off balance!
Who do you want, Hillary?
I can tell you voted for Bushanan!
Disruptor from DU!
McCainiac!
Gorebot!
Bushbasher!
Bush-hater!
You hate Laura because she's a stron woman!
Libertarian!
etc!
Did I miss any?
To: sheltonmac
There is a difference between unanimity and unity.
McCain-Feingold is an abomination that should have been vetoed.
It wasn't, I am disappointed.
To: sheltonmac
You're spot-on right. But it's not time to jump the boat yet. If conservatives don't criticize Bush harshly, we can't affect his policies. But if we say, "we're outta here" too quickly, we end up with nothing.
Just remember, we are still recovering from the Oval Office alternative.
To: sheltonmac
I saw thru the Bush sycophants the second they started using the same ambulance-chasing-lawyer style arguments that the Clinton people used to support him. They are just the other half of the pincer that is squeezing the people who actually understand that the country was founded on a constitution, not the Republican and Democrat parties.
To: sheltonmac
"This law may be unconstitutional but I'm signing it anyway." This is nothing new, the Constitution was being used as toilet paper by big government long before Bush came around. He's just more blatant about it.
You do have your flame suit on, right? Once the pro-Bush lackeys notice this post, you can be sure you'll need it.
17 posted on
03/28/2002 8:15:04 AM PST by
Pern
To: sheltonmac
If I had to vote all over again and the choices were between Bush, Buchanan, McCain, Gore, and Brown, I'd still vote for Bush...Did I mention Bush is a bonehead?
19 posted on
03/28/2002 8:15:56 AM PST by
BufordP
To: sheltonmac
I hear ya.
20 posted on
03/28/2002 8:16:14 AM PST by
deadrock
To: sheltonmac
No wait, maybe I'll stay home in November 2004.
23 posted on
03/28/2002 8:18:15 AM PST by
BufordP
To: sheltonmac
Wow...the Bush-bashers have a place of their very own . And just look at the names the B-b's are already spewing at the president's supporters. Man. Lots of vitriol out there. Hope nobody strokes out...
To: sheltonmac
I hate CFR as much as anyone, and wish Bush hadn't signed it, but I still entertain the hope that he knows what he's doing. It's possible that he knew ahead of time that this law would be DOA with the Supremes.
IF that's the case, then obviously the best strategy was to sign it. Then Bush gets the best of both worlds: CFR is deader than it could have been any other way, and he can say to the voters, "Hey, I did everything I could. I signed it into law, but it didn't stick. What more do you want?"
Yeah, I know, I know. I wouldn't have given Clinton such a broad benefit of doubt. But while Clinton did everything not to deserve my trust, Bush (to whom I gave no latitude early on; I carried a sign saying "NO HONEYMOON: CUT MY TAXES" at his Inauguration) has earned my trust through his actions.
This isn't over, yet. If the Supremes uphold it, I'll forever maintain that signing it was a damned stupid thing for Bush to do. If they strike it down, I'll call him crazy like a fox.
To: sheltonmac
Applause!!!!!
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