[Poohbah]

<With all due respect, I'd say 75% of the people on this forum show less reverence for God than you people do for Bush.

I've seen less dislike for the Devil himself than the antipathy that the hardcore Bush-bashers show towards Bush.

Bush seems to be a love-him-or-hate-him kind of person, with middle ground not possible.

[foolish-one]

That's just not true. There may be a core group of hardcore Bush-bashers out there, but there was a lengthy thread posted yesterday concerning Bush/CFR and there were PLENTY of FReepers who said that CFR was the last (not the first or only) straw for them. The question remains - where do supporters draw the line before they feel (or are allowed to feel) betrayed?

Ignore them, if you want. Deny they exist. Make excuses. Group them in with RINO's, RATS or whatever. But they're there and they (we) are not getting answers or wise counsel.

[DoughtyOne]

With all due respect, I'd say 75% of the people on this forum show less reverence for God than you people do for Bush. I don't dislike either you or Bush, but there are times when I'd describe the support from some of Bush's supporters around here as approaching fanaticism.

I had intended to say, "...than some people do for Bush."  I had not intended to make a statement which cast a direct reflection on Miss. Marple.  I'd like to appologize for wording my comments in such a manner that they did reflect directly on Miss. Marple.  I believe that's inappropriate.

I believe that both sides need to be objective.  I think it's fair for both sides to call the other when they go over the line.

In support of Bush I will say that I think he is a good man.  I certainly disagree with him, but I do not see him as a Clinton at all.

[DoughtyOne]

While I do believe that certain people see Bush as all black or all white, I do not consider him to be such an individual. Bush is a good man. I do not think he sees things the same way I do. That doesn't necessarily make him a bad man at all. It's entirely possible for two good men to see things differently concering important topics. Does that mean that I'd necessarily vote for him? Most likely not.

[Proud2BAmerican]

Bush seems to be a love-him-or-hate-him kind of person, with middle ground not possible.

Let me be the first to claim the middle ground, by saying I neither love him nor hate him for what he's done while POTUS. I'm not real wild about some of the things he's done (CFR -- yes, I've heard the reasons, his decision on stem cells didn't go as far as I would have liked, I haven't seen him accomplish anything, or push for anything legislation-wise regarding ending abortion, or even partial-birth abortion, his "tax cut" and "tax rebate" did not enthrall me -- someone on here reported that the "tax cut" puts us at still-too-high levels, etc.)...

However, I appreciate and admire his leadership during our present war, I support his method of delegating the tasks of society and not being full of hubris to deny that he can benefit from the wisdom of other people who have more knowledge in certain areas than he does (cf., Cheney, Powell, C. Rice), while still being in unquestioned control. I also think he has brough a sense of decency back to teh White House.

And finally, I understand that my "problems" with what he's done so far are not easily fixable, and are problems that will take a long time to right -- i.e., he can't just wave his hand and end abortions, or snap his fingers and lower taxes to an appropriate level, etc. I trust that he's doing what he can and what is pragmatic, given all the circumstances, however, I would like to see a little more evidence of his devotion to conservative ends (however, I also realize that he can't come out and say, "Ok folks, I'm still trying to end abortion, but it's going to take this, this, that and that, before we can do it." He strikes me as someone who is working towards conservative goals as though it were a chess match, and trying not to let the liberals know what his end-game really is, or how he plans to achieve it.

Also, off the top of my head, I wish he wasn't so seemingly pro-immigration (what with courting Vicente Fox), and I wish he wasn't so free trade-ish. But I realize that's his position, and that of many of the neo-cons in the GOP, so it's something I will have to stomach.

And I should also be honest and say that I didn't vote for him, but probably will in the next election (provided that CFR doesn't somehow come back to bite conservative advocacy groups in the butt).