[spudsmaki]

The anger has been voiced most visibly by conservative Catholic columnists.

And many conservative members have left the Church to raise their children elsewhere.

Mostly because we've been hollering about this since the early sixties, when the Church decided to "reach out" to gays because they wouldn't want to marry. Did anyone ask if no desire to marry was the same as remaining celibate? Well, duh.

[uncbob]

''Catholic bishops who failed in their managerial and moral duty to protect innocent children should be sent to monasteries to do penance the rest of their lives.''

NAH JAIL TIME

[berned]

1 Tim 4:1

But the Spirit explicitly says that in later times some will fall away from the faith, paying attention to deceitful spirits and doctrines of demons,

1Tim 4:2 by means of the hypocrisy of liars seared in their own conscience as with a branding iron ,

1Tim 4:3 men who forbid marriage and advocate abstaining from foods which God has created to be gratefully shared in by those who believe and know the truth.

[kimosabe31]

"While liberals say the issue of sexual orientation is not related to sexual abuse - and there are no scientific data tracking the sexual orientation of priests who sexually abuse minors..."

These guys are totally clueless. Every predator priest is QUEER...and liberal. Not surprisingly, we have the libs defending queer priests.

[Campion]

It's pretty well documented that seminaries, by and large, in these latter times have not wanted orthodox, ordinary male candidates,'' he said, ''but have rather looked to those who are more pliable or more upbeat with all the modern ideas, and therefore many of those who would have become faithful priests have not gone into seminaries.''

This is where the "vocations crisis" is coming from. God is calling faithful men to preach the truth, but they are being culled out by Sister Apostasia Feminazi and her ilk at the diocesan or seminary level because they are "rigid" or "homophobic" or "misogynist" or "triumphalist" or any of a dozen other liberal naughties. The real agenda is "we want no priests except misfits, so we can argue that female "ordination" and an end to celibacy is the only answer to the priestless church we've created."

There are a couple of bishops in NY state who seem honestly proud that they are producing no new priests at all.

Probably 20% of our bishops should be deposed and replaced. Certain seminaries -- I'm going to point at Mundelein in particular -- should be closed until they can be re-staffed with people -- men, primarily -- 100% faithful to the Church. And the various apostate "Catholic colleges" which are not Catholic at all -- DePaul and Georgetown and BC, this means you, and ND, you aren't going to escape either -- need to be forced to purge the heretics from their theology departments or officially disassociate themselves from the Church. As it is, they're guilty of false advertising.

[summer]

Has there been anything like this scandal with respect to Catholic nuns? And, if not, why can't nuns be elevated, as nuns, to a higher position of responsibility in the Catholic Church -- and lead a parish? I'm sure there is some reason someone will quote from the Bible why this can not be so, but, it seems to me this should be considered. The "men" have really let down Catholics in a big way here.

[ex-snook]

"...- some conservatives suggest that the preponderance of male adolescents among victims may be linked to a disproportionately high percentage of priests who are gay."

Someone at last noticing the pink elephant in the parlor? We don't need any more 'steenken reforms'. What is needed is a counter-reformation to dump those leaders of the Am-Church who wanted to 'update' the Church.

We need to return to preaching and practicing morality. We need to 'open' the Vatican II windows again and this time to let out the stink of those that used Vatican II for their own agendas.

[Redbob]

Most of this scandal is not about sex-abuse:
It's about attacking organized religion.

Jews, Protestants: You're next!

[Arthur McGowan]

"Conservative" Catholics do not leap to defend the hierarcy and "it's practices." They defend the Catholic Faith, even when the hierarchy doesn't. The hierarchy has not preached against contraception. The hierarchy has treated the pro-life movement like a bunch of lepers, snuggling up to the Kennedys and Cuomos and Renos and Clintons. When "conservative" Catholics defend the celibate, male priesthood, or oppose liturgical sacrileges, it isn't out of blind loyalty to the "hierarchy and it's practices," but to the Catholic Faith.

[heyheyhey]

...Liberals are pushing for the ordination of women and married men and for a democratization of the church's leadership...
...liberals say the issue of sexual orientation is not related to sexual abuse...

I knew the devil would try to be helpful in these difficult times.

[Salvation]

Other information -- Use the anger in a positive way.

[Salvation]

And some additional ideas for Catholic action.

[houston1]

Despite what the Church says, celibacy is the root of the problem. I graduated from a Catholic high school 20 years ago and out of a class of 800+ students, we only had 3 students going into "the vocations", 2 men, 1 woman. A lot of guys in my class said almost the exact same thing to me, that they would like to become priests, but they wanted to have families someday, so they weren't considering it as an option.
If you can't even get 1% of students you've had 12 years to indoctrinate into the faith to see it as a viable lifestyle, something has to change or the Church will continue to decline. I'm saying this to counter some of the statements that hetero men are being vetted out by the seminaries when in fact Church policy is vetting them before they even get that far. All of the abusers were not gay either, so throwing out all the gay priests won't solve the problem either, who will replace them for one thing? Both celibacy and marriage should be options left open to the clergy, and the pool of volunteers would increase about 80%.

[blam]

"Abuse scandal angers conservative Catholics"

It angers this WASP also.