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To: BigTime
I would offer one tidbit for your digestion: when Bush took control, "we" held both houses and yet we're still the ones that have to compromise our principles in the interest of maintaining power.

How many times do I have to teach you newbies the facts of political life. You dont dont control the Senate with 51 votes. You cant get permission to sneeze in the Senate without 60 votes. Any single member can hold up any bill or any appointment unless you can get sixty senators to vote with you on stopping the filbuster. The same thing is true to a lesser extent in the House. Gingrich had much more fun and success as being the minority guy that got to throw a wrench into the works and prevent legislation from passing. A tough minority can stop legislation but a numerical majority doesnt ensure its passage.

Being in the majority did help from the standpoint of chairing the various committes giving you some discretion on when to schedule meetings, etc. But that was lost with Jeffords betrayal.

Raw numbers such as having 318 in the House or 51 in the Senate dont mean you have a majority. As soon as you all learn that, perhaps you will get out and vote some more Republicans in.

51 posted on 03/27/2002 7:34:37 AM PST by Dave S
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To: Dave S
How many times do I have to teach you newbies the facts of political life.

Ah, yes. It is always the seasoned political insider like you who needs to impugn those who disagree with him. Yes, please prattle on and illuminate we poor dim-witted lot who are unwilling to suck down every lemon that the Republican leadership throws our way.

You dont dont control the Senate with 51 votes. You cant get permission to sneeze in the Senate without 60 votes. Any single member can hold up any bill or any appointment unless you can get sixty senators to vote with you on stopping the filbuster.

My point EXACTLY, oh wise and erudite senior Freeper member. My point is all this talk about our gains in the fall are bogus! We need to make major gains in seats to accomplish all the good that supporters of this bad legislation say we will reap. It is not going to happen.

The same thing is true to a lesser extent in the House. Gingrich had much more fun and success as being the minority guy that got to throw a wrench into the works and prevent legislation from passing. A tough minority can stop legislation but a numerical majority doesnt ensure its passage.

Who is the political newbie? You sound just like Trent Lot. Hey everybody, it's a good thing we lost control of the Senate! Yipee! It's great!

And speaking of Gingrich, how did he ride to power? On an agenda, not be riding the wave of non-comittal ideology. He spelled out a vision and laid it out as an option to voters. Bush is NOT doing that. His only vision appears to be running the war.

Being in the majority did help from the standpoint of chairing the various committes giving you some discretion on when to schedule meetings, etc. But that was lost with Jeffords betrayal.

Granted for the Senate. But my point still stands. You need to have people in those seats that support your agenda or you will have a reenactment of the Jeffords mess. When you're counting on the support of RINOs in the Senate, you being delusional.

89 posted on 03/27/2002 7:57:52 AM PST by BigTime
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To: Dave S
As soon as you all learn that, perhaps you will get out and vote some more Republicans in.

And CFR has encouraged us to get out and vote more Republicans in? Exactly how?

121 posted on 03/27/2002 8:18:01 AM PST by browardchad
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To: Dave S
As soon as you all learn that, perhaps you will get out and vote some more Republicans in.

Ahh, more Republicans in - as if that would make a difference. Look at the vast majority of Republicans running for office, and with a very few notable exceptions, they are alike on the Democrats with 80-90% of the issues. Look at Libby Dole (pro-abortion, anti-gun, big government, big tax) - who has the full support of the GOP - even the supposedly "conservative" Republicans!

The solution is NOT to just vote Republican. This would be a serious mistake. After all, it was a Republican controlled congress that let Clinton off without so much as a slap on the wrist. It was the "Conservative" John Ashcroft who lets treason and corruption from the previous adminstration go completely untouched. And yes, it was a Republican president who pushed hard for amnesty for literally millions of illegals.

Vote for the person who best reflects the principles of a limited government, and a constitutionally-mandated Republic. Here's the facts: the vast majority of Republicans do NOT cut the mustard.

208 posted on 03/27/2002 10:15:10 AM PST by fogarty
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To: Dave S
You dont dont control the Senate with 51 votes.
Tell that to D'Asshole. He's very-ably controlling the Senate with 51 votes. It's leadership, something that the RINOs (other than McConnell, is there any other kind in the Senate anymore?) sorely lack.
268 posted on 03/27/2002 1:36:38 PM PST by steveegg
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