Posted on 03/27/2002 6:12:51 AM PST by Redcloak
No one can "increase rights". A government can only take them away by use of force.
No they don't. The people crucify the righteous.
So does denial, apparently. Yes he did.
I agree, but they took them away when they limited hard money contributions.
I'm fine with that. Let it become law over his veto. Repeated polling has shown that the broader public could care less about CFR. SCOTUS can still (I hope) slap it down and Bush would have been able to take his rightful place as defender of the Constitution as he swore in his oath.
I'm not foaming at the mouth over this as some anti-CFR types have been portrayed. I am, however, deeply disappointed in my President, who should know better.
If the ultimate end is to have the AD ban illegal, then doing it now with the certain vote of the current members of the SC is far safer than doing it later after Daschle picks the new appointees.
It never occured to me that most people on this forum wouldn't. Jefferson isn't the subject of this thread. If you want to engage me on that subject and find out what I know about him or the constitution, start another thread.
All you people are pretty funny with your precious votes, all of which add up to about .005% of the population.
Not nearly as "funny" as the morons who vote for Repubicans and Democrats. They have removed your rights one at a time, not my party. They have just reached the bill of rights, starting from the top, which one will be next? You are really happy to be in the majority, above all other things apparently.
But a presidency is about a hell of a lot more than one bill.
It doesn't get any more fundamental than defending the first amendment.
Reagan bailed out Harley-Davidson. Bush bails out steel, which at least, it can be argued, is necessary for defense.
A bailout and a trade war are two different things. Both bad, one worse. But all of this is off topic.
but we ARE FIGHTING A WAR, which most people here seem to have forgotten.
More freedomd have been lost in the name of war than all other reasons combined. BTW, this isn't a war. The congress alone has they power to declare war, and they didn't have the balls to do it. they punted to Bush, he was happy to have free rein.
Finally, the poster above does have a great point: if all of you are (as I am) so sure that this bill is unconstitutional, there there is nothing to worry about, right? But, as another poster suggested, we can't trust this to the courts, then let me see: the Legislature (both houses), the Pres., and (if it goes this way) the Courts would have all said this is Constitutional.
The courts have a poor record defending the constitution. And my right to free speech is not granted by it in any case. I have the right to speak, whether or not it is being violated.
So. He also signed a bill that can be contested before it goes into effect. As president he can see to it that he insures the bill gets to SC as early as possible, he can insure that the arguments for the bill are as weak as possible and finally he has the authority if all else fails to not enforce it and provide pardons in advance. Unlike those who are in hysterics I can see that a veto is not the only method at his disposal to support free speech.
Sorry, but Bush was in an untenable position the instant the Dems began riding the Enron hobbyhorse. They had him cornered. Sorry if he had more sense than to commit political suicide.
Everyone who passed this bill was a traitor. People who defend it's implementation are traitors too. I hope you are not one of them.
People, you are way over the edge. Calm down.
You need to become less calm. You need to open your calm eyes in time to see your rights being taken away. You are the reason this crap becomes law, as you calmly watch. Pitiful.
And my second wife is just like my first wife. They are both female.
President Bush just made the ad ban legal!
Enron is and was a non-starter. He was NOT cornered. And vetoing CFR would not have been political suicide. That's just silly. The fact is, the public doesn't give a damn about CFR.
In any event, CFR and Enron will be totally forgotten by 2004. This was a simple unprincipled and cowardly act, with not political upside for him.
The United States government will be destroyed eventually because it is so corrupt. Then it will be war, war, and more war. If you live through the war I wonder what you will see? I think that you won't be happy to our government destroyed unless you love shedding blood.
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