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The 1930s, Again: A hard rain is going to fall.
National Review ^ | March 25, 2002 | Victor Davis Hanson

Posted on 03/25/2002 7:59:07 AM PST by aculeus

In some ways in our war against the terrorists we are like the democracies of the late 1930s. They knew that there was more to Hitler than his avowed quest for the return of the Sudetenland or the Alsace-Lorraine. They sort of suspected that an entire, venerable culture in Germany and Japan had gone off the deep end. And while there was a certain logic to Hitler's diatribes that a moralistic England had no more right to distant India than did Germany to nearby Danzig, most deep-down knew that such parlor-game banter simply masked a much larger dilemma — how to corral a very powerful dictatorship and its axis that wished dominance not coexistence, and whose fuel was brutal force and autocracy, not democracy and freedom.

For England, most of Western Europe, and the United States, reeling under recent economic depression and hardly recovered from the sheer horror of the First World War — carnage unlike any in the long history of warfare — the idea of forceful resistance was little short of insanity. Filmstrips of German Panzers, thousands of Japanese shouting "Banzai!," and even Mussolini's comically delivered, but hateful rants overwhelmed the senses.

How could one stop such madness? And might it just go away with proper diplomacy? And why did "militarists" in the West insist on rearming and thereby "provoking" war? And was not there some truth to German grievances and Japanese hurts? And did anyone really wish to risk millions of innocent Americans and British to kill equally innocent, although perhaps mesmerized, Germans? Who was stirring up such animosity?

We are in a similar dilemma — in our hesitation about Iraq, our pressure on Israel, and our worries about mission creep in pursuing the killers. Can't the Jews and Arabs just get along? If Israel would just give back all of the West Bank, wouldn't there be peace? Didn't we just fight in the Gulf a mere decade ago? How do we know that Saddam Hussein really has such dreadful weapons? Shouldn't our allies get involved too? Do these undemocratic Muslim countries really dislike us all that much? Who can trust polls anyway? Why are these saber-rattlers trying to get us into a war?

And so we Americans, like those 70 years ago who so wanted a perpetual peace, pray for a return of sanity in the Middle East. We chose to ignore horrific stories of Wahhabism in Saudi Arabia — the embryo of 9/11. We are more amused than shocked that madrassas have taught a generation to hate us. When mullahs in Iran speak of destroying Israel we wince, but also shrug. We want to see no real connection between madmen blowing themselves up to kill us in New York and the like-minded doing the same in Tel-Aviv. We put our trust in peace with a killer like Mr. Arafat, who packs a gun and whips up volatile crowds in Arabic. All the while, no American statesman has the guts to tell the Arab leadership that statism, tribalism, fundamentalism, gender apartheid, and autocracy — not America, not Israel — make their people poor, angry, and dangerous.

Rather than preparing for what our enemies are preparing for us, we look to gestures of appeasement. Does not the Islamic world appreciate the presence of General Zinni? Do we not give billions to Arab countries? Did we not save Kuwait and Muslims throughout the globe? Who in the Arab world could really think that the murderous Taliban were preferable to the present more enlightened government in Afghanistan? And although Middle Eastern males blew up our planes, people, and monuments, have we not had a national discussion about the evils of profiling those from the Middle East in our airports and stations? Don't Muslims tell their kindred back home how much freer they are in America than in Iraq or Syria?

Like the dashed hopes of the 1930s such faith is not only misplaced, but also dangerous. The efforts of countries like Iraq to acquire nuclear weapons might under the present pressures grow dormant, but they will not cease. A nuclear Pakistan is a tottering military dictatorship away from Armageddon. Bribed autocracies in Jordan and Egypt are allies only in the sense that their unelected leaders promise to jail their nuts and fundamentalists who otherwise might turn on them as well as on us. Polls everywhere in the Middle East reveal not mere anguish, but real enmity toward Americans. Public pronouncements in Iran are not any less hateful than what emanated from Berlin in 1936. Thousands of al Qaeda killers have escaped — and thousands more are angry over the death of the comrades and kin and planning carnage for us as we sleep.

Only a few of us Americans really take the Islamic world at its word — that one in three is reported to think (representing, say, a small number of around 200 million?) that the murder of 3,000 Americans was justified; that two of three believed no Arabs were involved; and that even higher poll numbers reflected real antipathy for the West.

After 30 years of listening to nauseating chanting from Teheran to Islamabad to Nablus, hearing the childish rants about "The Mother of All Battles" and "The Great Satan," and witnessing presidents from Carter to Bush burned in effigy, the ritual torching of the American flag, the misspelled banners of hatred, the thousands of paint-by-the-numbers posters of psychopaths from Khomeini to bin Laden, televised threats that sound as hideous as they are empty, Nazi-inspired anti-Semitism, embassy takeovers, oil-boycotts, hijacked planes, cars, and ships, lectures from unelected obese sheiks with long names and gold chains, peacekeepers incinerated in their sleep, murders at the Olympics, bodies dumped on the tarmac of airports, shredded diplomats, madmen in sunglasses in Iraq, Syria, and Libya, demented mullahs and whip-bearing imams in Pakistan, Saudi Arabia, and Iran, continual televised murders of Americans abroad, our towers toppled, our citizens butchered, our planes blown up, hooded Klansmen in Hamas and Hezbollah, killers of al-this and Islamic-that, suicide bombers, shrill turbaned nuts spouting hatred on C-SPAN broadcasts, one day the salvation of Kuwait, the next sanctions against the swallower of Kuwait, the third day fury against the sanctions against the swallower of Kuwait, the fourth day some grievance from 1953, the fifth another from A.D. 752; and all the time sanctimonious fingerpointing from Middle Eastern academics and journalists who are as bold abroad in insulting us as they are timid and obsequious under dictators at home in keeping silent, I've about had it. No mas. The problem is you, not us — you, you, you….

I don't listen any more to the apologies and prevarications of our whiney university Arabists, our equivocators in the state department, and the really tawdry assortment of oil men, D.C. insiders, bought and paid for PR suits, and weapons hucksters. The truth is that a large minority of the Middle Eastern world wishes a war with America that it cannot win — and much of the rest is apparently either indifferent or amused.

So we should stop apologizing, prepare for the worst, hope for the best, and accept this animosity — just as our forefathers once did when faced by similar autocrats and their captive peoples who threatened us in 1941. I don't know about the rest of America, but I am proud that thugs like Khaddafi, murderers like Saddam Hussein, inquisitionists like the mullahs in Iran, criminals in Syria, medieval sheiks in the Gulf, and millions of others who do not vote, do not speak freely, oppress women, and are not tolerant of religious, gender, or ethnic diversity don't like me for being an American. I would find it repugnant if they did.

No, their hatred is a badge of honor, and I would have it no other way. I am tired of the appeasers of the Middle East on our Right who fawn for oil and trade, and those pacifists and multiculturalists on the Left who either do not know, or do not like, what America really is. I'd rather think of all the innocent dead on 9/ 11 than give a moment more of attention to Mr. Arafat and his bombers.

The truth is that there is a great storm on the horizon, one that will pass — or bring upon us a hard rain the likes of which we have not seen in 60 years. Either we shall say "no more," deal with Iraq, and prepare for a long and hard war against murderers and terrorists — or we will have more and more of what happened on 9/11. History teaches us that certain nations, certain peoples, and certain religions at peculiar periods in their history take a momentary, but deadly leave of their senses — Napoleon's France for most of a decade, the southern states in 1861, Japan in 1931, Germany in 1939, and Russia after World War II. And when they do, they cannot be bribed, apologized to, or sweet-talked — only defeated.

In that context, we see much of a whipped-up Arab world entering this similar period of dangerous unreality. The problem is them and their unelected and unfree regimes, not us — just as it was Hitler, not us; Tojo, not us; Mussolini, not us; and Stalin, not us — just as it always is when unelected maniacs take control and hijack an entire country and culture. We can either step up and stop Islamic fundamentalism, Arab terrorists, and Middle Eastern dictators or we can step back and watch it all continue to grow. If 9/11 was the beginning of a war, then we should remember that wars usually end when one, not both sides, win.


TOPICS: Culture/Society; Editorial; Foreign Affairs; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: clashofcivilizatio; geopolitics; hitler; iraq; islamicviolence; patriotlist; terrorism; zionist
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To: 4ConservativeJustices
4ConservativeJustices & Zviadist,

You guys be sure to ping me here on this forum and let me know how it is that you feel when the someone's and something's you cherish are destroyed by the weapons of mass destruction that the minions of Islam so vociferously full of hate for the freedom we represent use against them. Unless of-course you yourselves are included in that prelude to Armageddon.  Because if we continue to do nothing but beat up on the smaller factions of the larger evil that hate us and vow our destruction by any and all means, this unthinkable scenario will occur. Not if, but when!!! It is only a matter of time. And the ticking is getting louder and louder.

81 posted on 03/25/2002 2:15:16 PM PST by sinclair
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To: Urbane_Guerilla
My guess - and it's no better than that - is that we're likely to see a series of suicide bombings similar to the ones in Israel occur here in America. It's a 'cheap kill,' easy to set up and carries maximum psychological impact, There will be no lack of true believer volunteers.
82 posted on 03/25/2002 2:16:33 PM PST by Noumenon
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To: Constitution Day
I'm a National Review subscriber, and usually their articles are, as the Brits say, "spot-on".
Occasionally they publish someone who strings exceedingly verbose, authoritative-sounding sentences together that just grate on my nerves.
This is one of those times.

He needs to educate himself on American history a little more, IMHO.

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Feel free to educate all of us on the authors historical misconceptions. -- Please.

You might learn a few things in return that would calm your nerves. - But probably not.

83 posted on 03/25/2002 2:18:56 PM PST by tpaine
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To: Noumenon
"There will be no lack of true believer volunteers."

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And my guess is that 'profiling' will not help against these 'true believers'. Fanatics come in all guises.

84 posted on 03/25/2002 2:28:40 PM PST by tpaine
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To: Noumenon
****There will be no lack of true believer volunteers.****

I have no facts to back this up but I have the opposite view. I think they are running out of suicide bombers already. The more the West trounces their asses the more of them that have to be wondering if perhaps the Imams might have led them astray.

Even an islamist can see whose culture (and whose God) is winning around here. We may have to kill several million of them to get the point across in an undeniable manner but so be it.

Let the slaughter begin. They have proved beyond all doubt that they deserve it. Rush is right. Not just in the Israeli/pali fight but between the West and Islam in general. They will cease to be a problem when they are CRUSHED. Hellsbells even the writers of West Wing get it.

85 posted on 03/25/2002 2:31:33 PM PST by mercy
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To: tpaine
Thanks for your Brilliant #68. ;^)
86 posted on 03/25/2002 2:39:22 PM PST by headsonpikes
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To: Noumenon
We've already seen the largest suicide bombing in history. FWIW, I think we'll see far worse in the very near future.

L

87 posted on 03/25/2002 2:43:17 PM PST by Lurker
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To: hopespringseternal
No. Not home. Our nation has lost it's spine. We are as gutless as Neville Chamberlain and repeating the exact same mistake even though we should know better. If the islamofascists are smart they will refrain from another 9/11 type of attack as they will be largely unmollested by us if they do refrain. In ten years they will have total control of most of the Arab nations and many others. I just hope they do not do the smart thing and I think we can count on them for that.
88 posted on 03/25/2002 2:53:21 PM PST by mercy
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To: tpaine
Feel free to educate all of us on the authors historical misconceptions. -- Please.

Yes. Waiting ...

89 posted on 03/25/2002 2:54:59 PM PST by aculeus
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To: headsonpikes; Yall
Thanks. -- This Hanson guy writes well. - Anyone read more about his basic political stance?
90 posted on 03/25/2002 2:56:55 PM PST by tpaine
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To: Lurker
Agreed - we've just seen the opening shots of this war of civilizations. Worse is coming...
91 posted on 03/25/2002 2:57:45 PM PST by Noumenon
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To: weikel
he he he he he he
92 posted on 03/25/2002 2:58:11 PM PST by mercy
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To: Constitution Day
<<<<<< Historical Crickets? >>>>>>>
93 posted on 03/25/2002 2:59:12 PM PST by tpaine
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To: flamefront
YES! They OWE us bigtime. A few trillion at least. After all it was mostly Saudis who attacked us and several attacks have been masterminded by the infamous Saudi OBL. We should confiscate as much oil as is needed to pay the debt.
94 posted on 03/25/2002 3:02:23 PM PST by mercy
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To: tpaine
He certainly gets his point across!!LOL!

"...The problem is you, not us-- you, you,you..."

And that's exactly right. Eff 'em if they can't keep up.

95 posted on 03/25/2002 3:07:28 PM PST by headsonpikes
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To: Noumenon
My guess - and it's no better than that - is that we're likely to see a series of suicide bombings similar to the ones in Israel occur here in America. It's a 'cheap kill,' easy to set up and carries maximum psychological impact, There will be no lack of true believer volunteers.

alas ... your guess has the frightening ring of truth ... if (or ... when) the suicide bombers start inflicting the nightmare on us, our countrymen will unite, as we are not united now, but should be ... America is still in a revery, we are still in the throes of prosperous hope ... for those of us who see the nightmare coming, we can only wait in patience ... when the first hell-bound martyr blows himself up in Grand Central Station, that is when the world will really change, and Americans will realize that the evil cult of Islam must be destroyed

96 posted on 03/25/2002 3:08:43 PM PST by Urbane_Guerilla
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To: Noumenon
A comment or two on history: The author did not mention the major factor in Hitler's rise which was the peace imposed on Germany by Wilson and company post WWI. Consider the major hotspots around the world since WWII; e.g. Korea, Viet Nam, Israel/Palestine, Afganistan, India/Pakistan, the former Yugoslavia, the entire African continent...the roots of these conflicts can be traced to the vacuum created by the withdrawl of the British empire and/or idiotic foriegn policy "experts" drawing artifical lines on the globe after WWII.

Now the US is perpetuating the problem in the Balkans. We have Afganistan as a client state, and it would seem we are soon to have Iraq as well.

I am not suggesting that the US should not obliterate anything that poses a clear and present danger -- we should. But given the historical record of those egalatarian morons who have tried to build a better world between the wars my question is will our children and grandchildren be fighting this same war 20 years after victory is declared?

Regards

J.R.

97 posted on 03/25/2002 3:28:33 PM PST by NMC EXP
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To: seamole
I understand our own shelter industry to recently be in vogue. Of course, this is no comparison with the technology in Asia and Europe in this regard. The Swiss are the masters.
98 posted on 03/25/2002 4:49:35 PM PST by GOP_1900AD
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To: tpaine; shuckmaster; billbears
(hearty guffaw)

Such a witty fellow!

No historical crickets here. I'm busy paying bills.
I'll get back to you when I am less busy.

99 posted on 03/25/2002 5:02:08 PM PST by Constitution Day
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To: aculeus
You too? See #99.

CD

100 posted on 03/25/2002 5:04:06 PM PST by Constitution Day
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