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The 1930s, Again: A hard rain is going to fall.
National Review ^ | March 25, 2002 | Victor Davis Hanson

Posted on 03/25/2002 7:59:07 AM PST by aculeus

In some ways in our war against the terrorists we are like the democracies of the late 1930s. They knew that there was more to Hitler than his avowed quest for the return of the Sudetenland or the Alsace-Lorraine. They sort of suspected that an entire, venerable culture in Germany and Japan had gone off the deep end. And while there was a certain logic to Hitler's diatribes that a moralistic England had no more right to distant India than did Germany to nearby Danzig, most deep-down knew that such parlor-game banter simply masked a much larger dilemma — how to corral a very powerful dictatorship and its axis that wished dominance not coexistence, and whose fuel was brutal force and autocracy, not democracy and freedom.

For England, most of Western Europe, and the United States, reeling under recent economic depression and hardly recovered from the sheer horror of the First World War — carnage unlike any in the long history of warfare — the idea of forceful resistance was little short of insanity. Filmstrips of German Panzers, thousands of Japanese shouting "Banzai!," and even Mussolini's comically delivered, but hateful rants overwhelmed the senses.

How could one stop such madness? And might it just go away with proper diplomacy? And why did "militarists" in the West insist on rearming and thereby "provoking" war? And was not there some truth to German grievances and Japanese hurts? And did anyone really wish to risk millions of innocent Americans and British to kill equally innocent, although perhaps mesmerized, Germans? Who was stirring up such animosity?

We are in a similar dilemma — in our hesitation about Iraq, our pressure on Israel, and our worries about mission creep in pursuing the killers. Can't the Jews and Arabs just get along? If Israel would just give back all of the West Bank, wouldn't there be peace? Didn't we just fight in the Gulf a mere decade ago? How do we know that Saddam Hussein really has such dreadful weapons? Shouldn't our allies get involved too? Do these undemocratic Muslim countries really dislike us all that much? Who can trust polls anyway? Why are these saber-rattlers trying to get us into a war?

And so we Americans, like those 70 years ago who so wanted a perpetual peace, pray for a return of sanity in the Middle East. We chose to ignore horrific stories of Wahhabism in Saudi Arabia — the embryo of 9/11. We are more amused than shocked that madrassas have taught a generation to hate us. When mullahs in Iran speak of destroying Israel we wince, but also shrug. We want to see no real connection between madmen blowing themselves up to kill us in New York and the like-minded doing the same in Tel-Aviv. We put our trust in peace with a killer like Mr. Arafat, who packs a gun and whips up volatile crowds in Arabic. All the while, no American statesman has the guts to tell the Arab leadership that statism, tribalism, fundamentalism, gender apartheid, and autocracy — not America, not Israel — make their people poor, angry, and dangerous.

Rather than preparing for what our enemies are preparing for us, we look to gestures of appeasement. Does not the Islamic world appreciate the presence of General Zinni? Do we not give billions to Arab countries? Did we not save Kuwait and Muslims throughout the globe? Who in the Arab world could really think that the murderous Taliban were preferable to the present more enlightened government in Afghanistan? And although Middle Eastern males blew up our planes, people, and monuments, have we not had a national discussion about the evils of profiling those from the Middle East in our airports and stations? Don't Muslims tell their kindred back home how much freer they are in America than in Iraq or Syria?

Like the dashed hopes of the 1930s such faith is not only misplaced, but also dangerous. The efforts of countries like Iraq to acquire nuclear weapons might under the present pressures grow dormant, but they will not cease. A nuclear Pakistan is a tottering military dictatorship away from Armageddon. Bribed autocracies in Jordan and Egypt are allies only in the sense that their unelected leaders promise to jail their nuts and fundamentalists who otherwise might turn on them as well as on us. Polls everywhere in the Middle East reveal not mere anguish, but real enmity toward Americans. Public pronouncements in Iran are not any less hateful than what emanated from Berlin in 1936. Thousands of al Qaeda killers have escaped — and thousands more are angry over the death of the comrades and kin and planning carnage for us as we sleep.

Only a few of us Americans really take the Islamic world at its word — that one in three is reported to think (representing, say, a small number of around 200 million?) that the murder of 3,000 Americans was justified; that two of three believed no Arabs were involved; and that even higher poll numbers reflected real antipathy for the West.

After 30 years of listening to nauseating chanting from Teheran to Islamabad to Nablus, hearing the childish rants about "The Mother of All Battles" and "The Great Satan," and witnessing presidents from Carter to Bush burned in effigy, the ritual torching of the American flag, the misspelled banners of hatred, the thousands of paint-by-the-numbers posters of psychopaths from Khomeini to bin Laden, televised threats that sound as hideous as they are empty, Nazi-inspired anti-Semitism, embassy takeovers, oil-boycotts, hijacked planes, cars, and ships, lectures from unelected obese sheiks with long names and gold chains, peacekeepers incinerated in their sleep, murders at the Olympics, bodies dumped on the tarmac of airports, shredded diplomats, madmen in sunglasses in Iraq, Syria, and Libya, demented mullahs and whip-bearing imams in Pakistan, Saudi Arabia, and Iran, continual televised murders of Americans abroad, our towers toppled, our citizens butchered, our planes blown up, hooded Klansmen in Hamas and Hezbollah, killers of al-this and Islamic-that, suicide bombers, shrill turbaned nuts spouting hatred on C-SPAN broadcasts, one day the salvation of Kuwait, the next sanctions against the swallower of Kuwait, the third day fury against the sanctions against the swallower of Kuwait, the fourth day some grievance from 1953, the fifth another from A.D. 752; and all the time sanctimonious fingerpointing from Middle Eastern academics and journalists who are as bold abroad in insulting us as they are timid and obsequious under dictators at home in keeping silent, I've about had it. No mas. The problem is you, not us — you, you, you….

I don't listen any more to the apologies and prevarications of our whiney university Arabists, our equivocators in the state department, and the really tawdry assortment of oil men, D.C. insiders, bought and paid for PR suits, and weapons hucksters. The truth is that a large minority of the Middle Eastern world wishes a war with America that it cannot win — and much of the rest is apparently either indifferent or amused.

So we should stop apologizing, prepare for the worst, hope for the best, and accept this animosity — just as our forefathers once did when faced by similar autocrats and their captive peoples who threatened us in 1941. I don't know about the rest of America, but I am proud that thugs like Khaddafi, murderers like Saddam Hussein, inquisitionists like the mullahs in Iran, criminals in Syria, medieval sheiks in the Gulf, and millions of others who do not vote, do not speak freely, oppress women, and are not tolerant of religious, gender, or ethnic diversity don't like me for being an American. I would find it repugnant if they did.

No, their hatred is a badge of honor, and I would have it no other way. I am tired of the appeasers of the Middle East on our Right who fawn for oil and trade, and those pacifists and multiculturalists on the Left who either do not know, or do not like, what America really is. I'd rather think of all the innocent dead on 9/ 11 than give a moment more of attention to Mr. Arafat and his bombers.

The truth is that there is a great storm on the horizon, one that will pass — or bring upon us a hard rain the likes of which we have not seen in 60 years. Either we shall say "no more," deal with Iraq, and prepare for a long and hard war against murderers and terrorists — or we will have more and more of what happened on 9/11. History teaches us that certain nations, certain peoples, and certain religions at peculiar periods in their history take a momentary, but deadly leave of their senses — Napoleon's France for most of a decade, the southern states in 1861, Japan in 1931, Germany in 1939, and Russia after World War II. And when they do, they cannot be bribed, apologized to, or sweet-talked — only defeated.

In that context, we see much of a whipped-up Arab world entering this similar period of dangerous unreality. The problem is them and their unelected and unfree regimes, not us — just as it was Hitler, not us; Tojo, not us; Mussolini, not us; and Stalin, not us — just as it always is when unelected maniacs take control and hijack an entire country and culture. We can either step up and stop Islamic fundamentalism, Arab terrorists, and Middle Eastern dictators or we can step back and watch it all continue to grow. If 9/11 was the beginning of a war, then we should remember that wars usually end when one, not both sides, win.


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To: belmont_mark
Imagine...

Spanish King Juan Carlos (L) admires the Moscow's Kremlin during a tour with Russian President Vladimir Putin, August 18, 2002. Russia confirmed on Sunday it was set to sign a $40 billion economic and trade cooperation agreement with Iraq, a move that could complicate Washington's plans to deal with Iraqi leader Saddam Hussein. REUTERS/ITAR-TASS/KREMLIN PRESS SERVICE

Malachi 1

1   The burden of the word of the LORD to Israel by Malachi.
2   I have loved you, saith the LORD. Yet ye say, Wherein hast thou loved us? Was not Esau Jacob's brother? saith the LORD: yet I loved Jacob,
3   And I hated Esau, and laid his mountains and his heritage waste for the dragons of the wilderness.
4   Whereas Edom saith, We are impoverished, but we will return and build the desolate places; thus saith the LORD of hosts, They shall build, but I will throw down; and they shall call them, The border of wickedness, and, The people against whom the LORD hath indignation for ever.
5   And your eyes shall see, and ye shall say, The LORD will be magnified from the border of Israel.

Edom: Literally, red
Edom saith, We are impoverished, [give us wheat, IMF money] but we will return and build the desolate places; [ancient Babylon, Iraq]

161 posted on 08/23/2002 3:46:27 AM PDT by Jeremiah Jr
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To: SwordofTruth; 4ConservativeJustices; billbears; stainlessbanner; aomagrat; kjenerette; PJeffQ; ...
SwordofTruth quacked:
"The South started the war and the North finished it. End of story. Get over it."

I've noticed that Yankee apologists seem to have an overweening predilection for the "Get over it" mantra.

I also find more than a touch of irony that the flag below is prominently displayed on your profile page.
How about you?

Do work on sharpening your "Sword" a bit, will you?

CD

162 posted on 08/23/2002 5:40:01 AM PDT by Constitution Day
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To: Constitution Day; SwordofTruth
How about I throw something out that was posted by a yankee worshiper (self-decribed as never voting for a Republican President - yet seems to worship a certain Republican President):
That is because I found this, posted on the moderated ACW newsgroup:
"In 1861, President Lincoln appointed Dana as United States Attorney for the Eastern District of Massachusetts. As such, in 1863, he successfully defended the United States in the Prize Cases before the United States Supreme Court (these were a group of cases, consolidated for appeal, on the capture of ships attempting to break the blockade of the Confederate ports. The issue argued revolved around two separate issues: was the Rebellion a "war" and when did the "Civil War" begin, in April, '61, with President Lincoln's Declaration of a blockade or in the summer when Congress approved what the president had done. The court unanimously ruled in favor of the administration's position that the Rebellion was a war but more narrowly (5-4) supporting the premise that the president's call for troops on April marked the beginning of the war. Not surprisingly Chief Justice Taney felt that the war could only begin when Congress said it did, very much as he had done in ex parte Merryman [67 U.S. (2 Black) 635]."
What do you know. Lincoln started the war.
163 posted on 08/23/2002 5:59:59 AM PDT by 4CJ
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To: Constitution Day
SwordofTruth signed up 2002-08-19
164 posted on 08/23/2002 6:23:23 AM PDT by stainlessbanner
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To: stainlessbanner
Yeah, I know.
Must be a lackey for 'Wlat'.
165 posted on 08/23/2002 6:29:21 AM PDT by Constitution Day
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To: belmont_mark
And what about the evil machinatitons of the House of Saud to fund all the evil in the world, to oppose the USA at every turn, until we collapse?
166 posted on 08/23/2002 6:32:44 AM PDT by crystalk
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To: 4ConservativeJustices
Excellent... is that a message from our old buddy Wlat?
He should be along any moment with his reams of cut-and-paste fallacies.

Thanks, my FRiend. Deo Vindice.

167 posted on 08/23/2002 6:40:47 AM PDT by Constitution Day
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To: aculeus

After 30 years of listening to nauseating chanting from Teheran to Islamabad to Nablus, hearing the
childish rants about "The Mother of All Battles" and "The Great Satan," and witnessing presidents from
Carter to Bush burned in effigy, the ritual torching of the American flag, the misspelled banners of hatred,
the thousands of paint-by-the-numbers posters of psychopaths from Khomeini to bin Laden, televised
threats that sound as hideous as they are empty, Nazi-inspired anti-Semitism, embassy takeovers,
oil-boycotts, hijacked planes, cars, and ships, lectures from unelected obese sheiks with long names and
gold chains, peacekeepers incinerated in their sleep, murders at the Olympics, bodies dumped on the
tarmac of airports, shredded diplomats, madmen in sunglasses in Iraq, Syria, and Libya, demented
mullahs and whip-bearing imams in Pakistan, Saudi Arabia, and Iran, continual televised murders of
Americans abroad, our towers toppled, our citizens butchered, our planes blown up, hooded Klansmen in
Hamas and Hezbollah, killers of al-this and Islamic-that, suicide bombers, shrill turbaned nuts spouting
hatred on C-SPAN broadcasts, one day the salvation of Kuwait, the next sanctions against the swallower
of Kuwait, the third day fury against the sanctions against the swallower of Kuwait, the fourth day some
grievance from 1953, the fifth another from A.D. 752; and all the time sanctimonious fingerpointing from
Middle Eastern academics and journalists who are as bold abroad in insulting us as they are timid and
obsequious under dictators at home in keeping silent, I've about had it. No mas. The problem is you, not
us — you, you, you…. 

I don't listen any more to the apologies and prevarications of our whiney university Arabists, our
equivocators in the state department, and the really tawdry assortment of oil men, D.C. insiders, bought
and paid for PR suits, and weapons hucksters. The truth is that a large minority of the Middle Eastern
world wishes a war with America that it cannot win — and much of the rest is apparently either
indifferent or amused. 

So we should stop apologizing, prepare for the worst, hope for the best, and accept this animosity — just
as our forefathers once did when faced by similar autocrats and their captive peoples who threatened us in
1941. I don't know about the rest of America, but I am proud that thugs like Khaddafi, murderers like
Saddam Hussein, inquisitionists like the mullahs in Iran, criminals in Syria, medieval sheiks in the Gulf,
and millions of others who do not vote, do not speak freely, oppress women, and are not tolerant of
religious, gender, or ethnic diversity don't like me for being an American. 
I would find it repugnant if they did.

F**king A RIGHT! The REAL TRUTH, unvarnished, and about time.

168 posted on 08/23/2002 6:46:49 AM PDT by tet68
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To: aculeus
bttt
169 posted on 08/23/2002 6:54:33 AM PDT by lodwick
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To: Constitution Day
another newbie yak yak yankee transplant.
170 posted on 08/23/2002 8:49:29 AM PDT by wardaddy
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To: wardaddy
another newbie yak yak yankee transplant.

Yep.
I see that he hasn't been back yet.

Maybe he fell on his Sword.

171 posted on 08/23/2002 8:56:36 AM PDT by Constitution Day
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To: Noumenon
It ain't rocket science, is it?

You sure wouldn't think so, but sometimes it makes you wonder.

172 posted on 08/23/2002 9:15:50 AM PDT by bat-boy
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To: aculeus
Popular support for an outright war on Iraq has dropped from 63% to 51% in the past few months. Still high numbers. War on Japan never reached 100% approval, and opinion of war on Germany even in WW II was never 100% either. Even the War of Independence hardly reached 33% approval.
173 posted on 08/23/2002 9:20:59 AM PDT by RightWhale
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To: aculeus
Don't know what the readership of the National review is but I hope the article gets widespread distribution. Am emailing a copy to my congressmen and senators (major league BARF alert, it's Barbara Boxer)
174 posted on 08/23/2002 9:27:28 AM PDT by paul51
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To: Noumenon
That is a chilling post.

Thanks

175 posted on 08/23/2002 9:34:48 AM PDT by MileHi
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To: aculeus
Mein Koran tells us what we need to know. The 9/11 attack crossed this generation's Rubicon. So far, in this War on Terrorism, we are mobilizing against NGO's (nongovernmental organizations, a UN favorite), which provide the actual Islamic states behind this war against us with "plausible deniability".

Islam is preaching Pan-Islam, one way or another. Jihad appeals to the jealousy and envy of men and boys in failed societies; these societies are breeding at rates greater than our society is willing to kill. "We die so that we may live forever." must have a good ring to it, when mythologized with a promise of 72 virgins. We are targets of a social system that preaches death to those unwilling to join the spread of hate.

The Trojan Horse is here, filled with 5th columnists. The fact so many Americans don't know what the former sentence refers to weakens us greatly in the coming battles. Mein Koran establishes the premise for war against our children, grandchildren, great grandchildren, and on into perpetuity if we do not wage a war to utterly vanquish our mortal enemies.

A new kind of Battle of Midway is approaching. 60 years ago didn't we have the sense to launch a pre-emptive attack the Japanese fleet sailing in international waters? The New World Order is evolving before our very eyes.

176 posted on 08/23/2002 9:50:08 AM PDT by SevenDaysInMay
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To: Constitution Day
Why yes, it was a quote from our friend Wlat. I thanked him profusely for that quote. ;o)
177 posted on 08/23/2002 10:18:53 AM PDT by 4CJ
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To: 4ConservativeJustices
(snicker)
178 posted on 08/23/2002 10:29:42 AM PDT by Constitution Day
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To: Constitution Day
I take it you appreciate it as well? ;o)
179 posted on 08/23/2002 12:01:01 PM PDT by 4CJ
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To: 4ConservativeJustices
Yes, very much so!
180 posted on 08/23/2002 12:25:58 PM PDT by Constitution Day
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