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President Bush Jokes About Signing Unconstitutional CFR Bill
comment found in Washington Post article here ^ | Sunday, March 24, 2002 | Kristinn

Posted on 03/24/2002 8:22:33 PM PST by kristinn

Edited on 09/03/2002 4:50:10 AM PDT by Jim Robinson. [history]

The Washington Post reported today that President joked about signing the unconstitutional Shays-Meehan campaign finance reform bill passed by the Senate last week.

Bush, in a statement issued Wednesday night, had expressed misgivings about whether parts of the bill were constitutional but said that he would sign the bill anyway.

His decision to sign the bill has kicked up a firestorm of dissent in the conservative community, including a scathing editorial by The Washington Times and a letter from the American Conservative Union signed by 60 conservative leaders.


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TOPICS: Constitution/Conservatism; Government; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: shaysmeehan
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To: The Raven
The Declaration of Independence talks about such things.
121 posted on 03/24/2002 10:01:56 PM PST by The Westerner
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To: Schakaljager

He took an oath on this.

To uphold the Constitution and "political heat" was mentioned nowhere in it.

122 posted on 03/24/2002 10:03:31 PM PST by Jhoffa_
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To: patriciaruth
It is the Supreme Court that decides what is unconstitutional. By protecting the courts you are protecting the Constitution.

Haven't read all the way down this thread, but I think it is wrong for President Bush to sign this, thinking the SC will overturn it. If in fact he is doing so to take the issue away from the demos, this path actually hands it back to them. If the court does over turn CFR, then the demos have ammo to use against the "bias, conservative" court and will block any conservative nominee President Bush brings forward. He is between a rock and a hard spot, and the single best thing he can to is pick the bill up and tear it in two.

123 posted on 03/24/2002 10:04:09 PM PST by Brad C.
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To: Mulder
As far as "political reality" goes, I'm seeing and hearing a lot of people who voted for Bush now saying they either won't do so, or will do so only reluctantly.

These are people who not only voted for him, but also gave money and volunteered their time. These are people who spent hours working phone banks, making yard signs, or going door-to-door for the Bush campaign.

The "political reality" is that if those folks bail, then Bush will be lucky to get the measly 37% that his father got in 1992.

Now you know how the Liberals felt when Clinton signed the Welfare Reform Act. However, unlike us, the Democrats stuck together and Clinton was reelected in Landslide.

124 posted on 03/24/2002 10:04:34 PM PST by Dave S
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To: kristinn
I think the President's pulling a fast one - I mean I think he's playing a game with the democrats. I think he will take to the bully pulpit and rip the thing to shreds. I don't know why I feel this way, but I just do. I may be proven wrong, but my gut feeling is he's pulling the democrat's chain - like a rope-a-dope scheme. The fact that so many republicans have signed on makes me suspicious too. I mean some of the reps' statements, "it's what the President wants". The reps never say that - they never say they are voting for or not voting for something simply because the President wants it. I don't recall any of them ever saying that kind of thing - they may have, but I don't recall it.

The President is going to get creamed either way - so my guess is he will do the right thing - from the beginning he has always done the right thing - I don't think he will change now right in the middle of the stream. I guess that's why his joking about it makes me wonder if I'm more right than I know.

125 posted on 03/24/2002 10:06:57 PM PST by CyberAnt
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To: brat
Bush can get away with CFR because he knows practically nobody cares about this bill. people on this forum can debated to death about this bill but truth is NOBODY CARES. Not even Bush's so-called Conservative Base.
127 posted on 03/24/2002 10:07:10 PM PST by Schakaljager
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To: Jhoffa_
please, are you an idealist? so much so for the constitution!
128 posted on 03/24/2002 10:08:24 PM PST by Schakaljager
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To: Schakaljager

That's your argument? ROFL!

Yeah, I am an idealist.. I have this ideal scenario in mind where Congress doesn't abuse our Constitution and bet our BOR on a game of political blackjack.

Also, in this ideal world of mine Presidents take and oath to defend our Constitution and then, they do.

Guess that makes me a real bastard, eh?

129 posted on 03/24/2002 10:11:20 PM PST by Jhoffa_
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To: Centurion2000
There is NO EXCUSE for selling out on this bill and even calling it "strategy" is no better than the pathetic excuse it is.

Every law ever found to be unconstitutional had a presidents signature on it.

Every law in force that a president is faced with even though he has stated he felt it to be unconstitutional has defended the law when challenged. Did all of those presidents violate their oaths?

Bush can veto the bill and it will just hibernate until another president signs it

The constitution invests in the judiciary the duty to determine the constitutional soundness as a matter of Fact and Law. Anyone in the country can declare something unconstitutional but their declaration does not carry the force of law and the only power a president has to temporarily take the bill off the table while he is in office.

I realize that is not as sexy as having a president that declares war on the other two branches but that is the process the founders put into place.

130 posted on 03/24/2002 10:11:41 PM PST by Texasforever
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To: Dave S
Now you know how the Liberals felt when Clinton signed the Welfare Reform Act. However, unlike us, the Democrats stuck together and Clinton was reelected in Landslide. Liberals don't care! They hold no principles. Bush is abandoning his base to fetch these scum. They will not vote for him -- stick a fork in him, he is done.
131 posted on 03/24/2002 10:13:02 PM PST by GregoryFul
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To: Schakaljager
If nobody cared why wouldn't Bush do the right thing and veto it?

If nobody cared he could do what he said he was going to do without fear of reprecussions.

Are you suggesting that he thinks this is a good bill?

132 posted on 03/24/2002 10:13:34 PM PST by KDD
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To: Jhoffa_
#100 I don't like the political implications of it as it is, but the willingness to gamble with our BOR is what really makes me angry

You've nailed it. He's playing politics with our BOR. Live by the sword, die by the sword.

133 posted on 03/24/2002 10:17:32 PM PST by Verax
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To: Texasforever
Oh come on.. They shot Dick Armey right out of the saddle when he suggested adding a Constitutionality clause to this bill. Everyone knows it's Unconstitutional and faking ignorance is no excuse.

That has got to be the absolute worst excuse for signing an UnConsitiutional piece of legislation I have ever heard.

134 posted on 03/24/2002 10:18:17 PM PST by Jhoffa_
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To: Texasforever
Would you still be as supportive if it were, say the Second Amendment we were gambling with here?

(such as it is.. )

135 posted on 03/24/2002 10:19:31 PM PST by Jhoffa_
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To: Brad C.
If the court does over turn CFR, then the demos have ammo to use against the "bias, conservative" court and will block any conservative nominee President Bush brings forward

That is a good point and one I haven't really thought about however I have, as the best I can on the web researched this court's record on the 1st amendment and what I have been able to find this particular court even the liberals take a very hard stance on 1st amendment violations. This is a different scenario than 2nd amendment challenges that almost always split conservative/liberal

136 posted on 03/24/2002 10:21:33 PM PST by Texasforever
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To: Texasforever
The constitution invests in the judiciary the duty to determine the constitutional soundness as a matter of Fact and Law.

Yea, that's why the lawmakers swear an oath to "uphold the Constitution", right? If they cannot tell what is Constitutional or not, they have no business being in congress. The judiciary is a citizens last (legal) defense against a tyranical government, the representitives should be the first.

137 posted on 03/24/2002 10:21:51 PM PST by GregoryFul
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To: ZULU
Not singling you out but, I have heard so many say that Bush thinks SCOTUS will void this Bill. Show me someone who knows what Bush thinks or that he consults with that has said these things?
138 posted on 03/24/2002 10:21:56 PM PST by PFKEY
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To: Jhoffa_
Dave, what part of censorship and Free Speech don't you understand?

Its already constitutional to restrict hard money "contributions" and soft money ads are not supposed to advocate voting for/against a candidate like Clinton did to Dole with the Untion ads in '96.

If this passes constitutional muster, which it wont, you havent lost your free speech because you can still say whatever you want and you can still run ads. You are only restricted in how you pay for them and what you say. For example in stead of saying call Rep so and so to let him know how you feel (which was always borderline), you would have to say something like when you go to vote next week, make sure you vote for the candidate that will xxxx. Also the bill only affects TV/radio. You can still communicate your message via print ads and "door knockers."

139 posted on 03/24/2002 10:23:13 PM PST by Dave S
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To: GregoryFul

Exactly.. It's like repelling an invasion.

Where do you begin? In the field or on your doorstep?

140 posted on 03/24/2002 10:23:47 PM PST by Jhoffa_
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