Homophobia and Pedophilia -- Joined at the Hip

Recent reports | 3/24/02 | HMV

[Dimensio]

He's all boy, but a homosexual would jump on him in a minute if he thought he wouldn't get caught.

Really? All (male, presumably) homosexuals would jump on your boys? Even the ones who don't like blue eyes or the ones who prefer people their own age?

[ConsistentLibertarian]

I missed the part where you were going to explain why after being raped by a man, a young boy would not fear sex with men but would instead fear sex with women. It would be like someone saying that when women are raped by men, it would cause them to fear sex with other women.

[ellery]

Look, from the scant evidence that's available on the subject of pedophilia (given all the secrecy it involves), the most common form is grown men preying on young girls. Just as that does not indict all the many straight men that do NOT abuse children, the men who abuse young boys should not indict all gay men. It looks to me like the problem here is pedophilia, regardless of the gender of the perp or victim. Why obfuscate the core problem?

[Oschisms]

A Time article grotesquely titled For the Love of Kids in November, 1993 quoted the ACLU defending a New York City teacher, Peter Melzer who edits the NAMBLA journal. Melzer published an article In Praise of the Penises, on "how to make that special boy feel good." As to the police report on Melzer’s alleged sex with a Filipino boy, Time assured its readers, there is no hard evidence that he abused this "or any other boy in the U.S." In the U.S.?

This guy taught physics at the Bronx HS of Science. Every student knew about it at the time, 5 years before he got nationwide attention...

Oschisms, Class of 91

[Dimensio]

Look, from the scant evidence that's available on the subject of pedophilia (given all the secrecy it involves), the most common form is grown men preying on young girls. Just as that does not indict all the many straight men that do NOT abuse children, the men who abuse young boys should not indict all gay men. It looks to me like the problem here is pedophilia, regardless of the gender of the perp or victim. Why obfuscate the core problem?

When confronted with this information the usual response is to point out the disproportionate ratio of males molesting boys vs. males molesting girls to the ratio of homosexual to heterosexuals. Of course, they don't think to take account that the majority of male molesters of boys have far more victims than molesters of girls (the stats for the former showed the latter as well, though I didn't see any speculation or reasoning as to why molesters of boys have more victims).

[ellery]

I just fear people who want to sodimize me or my children. Does that make me a homophobe?

Not at all -- sounds like a wise stance. You would be a homophobe only if you thought that all homosexuals want to sodomize you and your children.

[ConsistentLibertarian]

"I still think they should still be kept in the insane asylums where they belong." Why do gay men who engage only in consensual relations with other gay men belong in an insane asylum? What about heterosexual couples who engage in oral or anal sex? Do they belong in an insane asylum too? I can see this leading to much higher taxes ...

[Kevin Curry]

Do you know what a "chickenhawk" is?

Homosexuality is the core problem. Why obfuscate it by squirting pro-gay ink into the water?

[ZULU]

Also, the suffix -phobe is incorrect here. It should be whatever Greek word means loath and hate.

I loath and hate homsexuality, not fear it. So do most "homophobes". One of the reasons I don't watch the Oscars.

[Kevin Curry]

The gay lifestyle recruits them young. It's a perverse way of life. Quit apologizing for it.

[Oschisms]

Look, from the scant evidence that's available on the subject of pedophilia (given all the secrecy it involves), the most common form is grown men preying on young girls.

It hasn't, I suppose, occured to you that homosexuals are 1-5% of the population? And that even if homosexuals are commiting no more than 33% of all child molestation, then the average homosexual is way more likely to be a predator than the average heterosexual?

[Calculus_of_Consent]

Not at all -- sounds like a wise stance. You would be a homophobe only if you thought that all homosexuals want to sodomize you and your children

They do! I'm a good looking guy.

[ellery]

That's fair -- it would be interesting to look at the stats from the victim's point of view to see how many abuse victims had same-sex rather than opposite-sex abusers. But it still seems to me that it's a minor diversion from the main issue: how do we as a society get rid of pedophilia?

[Dimensio]

They do! I'm a good looking guy.

It's one thing to be aware of your own appearance. It's another to assume that everyone who is sexually attracted to persons of your gender wants to jump you.

[CGASMIA68]

bump

[Kevin Curry]

Not to mention the fact that the gay lifestyle is characterized by rampant and wanton promiscuity. The average gay has sexual encounters with hundreds of men each year, most of them complete strangers.

It is the sordid truth of the sick lifestyle that it is. But watch ellery come out and squirt some more "homophobe" ink to try to cover it up.

[Dimensio]

But it still seems to me that it's a minor diversion from the main issue: how do we as a society get rid of pedophilia?

Sadly, I'm not sure it's possible.

Despite the allegations of some, I don't think that pedophilia is a "rising" problem. I think that it's as bad as its always been, it's just that more people are aware of it (ie, more people are speaking out) than before. It doesn't help that negative reaction against the increased awareness has spawned "support" movements of people who, for some reason, don't quite get the emotional damage it can cause.

[ConsistentLibertarian]

"the average homosexual is way more likely to be a predator than the average heterosexual". Are we comparing 0.001% to 0.0001 and noting there's an order of magnitude difference?