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TIME FOR PLAIN TALK (Pope refuses to lead)
The Roman Catholic Faithful ^ | 3/24/02 | Thomas A. Droleskey

Posted on 03/24/2002 6:32:42 PM PST by Longshanks

As I noted in last month’s issue of Christ or Chaos, the explosion of public revelations dealing with scandals involving priest pederasty and the cover-up of such scandals by ecclesiastical officials in this country and across the world is partly the result of the failure of bishops to understand that no man who demonstrates any homosexual tendencies whatsoever can be ordained to the priesthood. The Holy Father’s spokesman, Dr. Joaquin Navarro Valls, made this exact comment himself recently.

However, there needs to be some plain talk spoken in love about the Holy Father’s own responsibility in this matter. Pope John Paul II has abdicated his responsibility to personally supervise the appointment of bishops and he has failed quite utterly to discipline bishops who have let scandals fester and doctrinal impurity to go unchecked in their dioceses. The Holy Father’s abdication of his role as governor of the Church has done incalculable damage to the Holy Faith. Thousands of souls have been lost to the Church as a result of scandals which need never have occurred and by the failure of the Holy Father to use his disciplinary power to remove bishops responsible for knowingly ordaining homosexuals and for believing that such behavior after ordination is a disqualification for further pastoral assignments. And this is to say nothing of the Holy Father’s refusal to admit that his bishops are responsible for the promotion of doctrinal impurity, creating, instead, a climate of a siege-mentality in which some Catholics have come to believe that all bishops everywhere are beyond criticism for anything. Indeed, His Holiness has done much to help create such an environment by his praise of bishops–and his abject refusal to do anything to remove men who are harmful to the Faith (Roger Cardinal Mahony, Matthew Clark, Howard Hubbard, Rembert Weakland, Tod Brown, Joseph Imesch, Patrick McGrath–and to permit recently others to continue to preside over the destruction of the Faith until the point of their retirement, most notably the late John Raymond McGann, the long-time Bishop of the Diocese of Rockville Centre). Sadly, the Holy Father refused to take action against a French bishop who supported RU-486, the French abortion pill, until the laity in France kept pestering Rome for the man’s removal, which took place in January of 1995.

The Holy Father’s lack of governance of the Church undoes the claim of some of his great apologists, such as George Weigel, that history will record him as John Paul the Great. Pope John Paul II will go down in history as a man who traveled widely and wrote much. However, he will also go down in history as a man who let ecclesiastical bureaucrats beneath him determine the human fate of the Church at this point in salvation history. There is no escaping this conclusion. One can love the Holy Father while recognizing in all candor the weaknesses of his pontificate. No great holder of the Chair of Saint Peter would stand by idly as bishops, such as Reginald Cawcutt in South Africa, justify homosexual behavior and mock the pursuit of holiness which is supposed to be the universal vocation of every baptized Catholic. And no “great” pope would attempt to positivistically reaffirm bishops in their fidelity to the Deposit of Faith when the truth of the matter is that most of the world’s bishops help to undermine the Faith.

It is not difficult for any pope to know who his episcopal appointees are. There are only three thousand dioceses in the world. More important than any pilgrimage or World Youth Day is the duty a Pope has to know the men he appoints as ordinaries of dioceses. He should not rely upon the word of ecclesiastical functionaries in the Vatican, nor should he rely upon the foxes around the world in episcopal attire who want to replicate themselves by nominating men who will continue the theological and liturgical revolution begun in earnest in the 1960s at Vatican II. It is important for a pope to personally interview all possible candidates for episcopal appointments (even as auxiliary bishops) and to elicit information from well-placed sources in the laity in a particular diocese. A pope’s most lasting legacy is the quality (or lack thereof) of his episcopal appointments. Far from being an impossible task, the job of supervising the selection of bishops is eminently possible and morally mandated for the good of the salvation and sanctification of souls.

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TOPICS: Crime/Corruption; Culture/Society
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If Rome is presently unwilling to act, perhaps God is now calling on laymen to fill the vacuum. Are you Catholics willing carry out mass protest/demonstrations at the chanceries until Rome is forced to act?
1 posted on 03/24/2002 6:32:42 PM PST by Longshanks
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Ping.
2 posted on 03/24/2002 6:43:43 PM PST by Longshanks
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To: Longshanks
I have been poasting the same thing about the Pope

Several posters have attacked me for it

Well those with their head in the sand are part of the problem and it is going to take a schism by the faithful who have some backbone or at least as you say STRONG public protest because you are not going to get it from the Pope or hierarchy in this country

and as long as the socialistic cardinals can count on a sufficient number of laity to rally round the flag NOTHING of significance will happen
3 posted on 03/24/2002 6:44:42 PM PST by uncbob
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Gong
4 posted on 03/24/2002 6:44:44 PM PST by Longshanks
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To: Longshanks
I have never had any respect for demonstrations. The Left uses them and they actually do nothing. Nothing has every happened on a person-to-person level because of a demonstration. They are like having a big pep rally for a really bad football team. If your team did not put in the hours of training when noone else was looking, they're still gonna lose.

What the Catholics need to do is pray.

Just like St. Paul says in Ephesians: "We wrestle not against flesh and blood, but against principalities and powers in high places". Do good Catholics still trust the Pauline Epistles?

5 posted on 03/24/2002 6:45:14 PM PST by keithtoo
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Whadya think?
6 posted on 03/24/2002 6:47:18 PM PST by Longshanks
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To: Longshanks
No, I don't want to demonstrate in front of any chancery. They would only get furious. They would have the police make the demonstrators leave and it would, in the end, make things worse.
7 posted on 03/24/2002 6:50:27 PM PST by Aliska
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ping
8 posted on 03/24/2002 6:52:10 PM PST by Longshanks
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To: Longshanks
If we are to believe that the Pope is infallible then logic would lead one to believe that his and his predecessor's near silence and inaction means that the RCC endorses such and that this is from God.

Most sane people would not follow this logic.

holy father...my foot!

And call no man your father on earth, for you have one Father, who is in heaven.

9 posted on 03/24/2002 6:57:13 PM PST by PFKEY
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Well those with their head in the sand are part of the problem

I think there are a high proportion of cowards among the so-called orthodox. The devil and heretics will always be with us but it’s the don't-rock-the-boat crowd that is really responsible for the present situation. However, a protracted campaign of street action might succeed in waking up sleepy Catholics.

10 posted on 03/24/2002 7:08:32 PM PST by Longshanks
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To: Longshanks
I have read many of the Pope's words. I have read his encyclicals, his Wednesday audience addresses, his speeches when he travels. The leadership has always been there. My question is, what does a parent do when his children, way past their teen-age years, do not listen to him? Does he clunk all their fool heads together? This Pope did clunk a few heads, Hans Kung for example, but each individual bishop is responsible for their own diocese. Most have been good. Some have been dreadful.

One bishop, in particular, was suspected of having homosexual leanings and would have boat parties with young men. What did JPII do? Well, when this bishop was called to Rome, for his once-every-five-year-visit he entered the papal office and sitting behind the desk on his chair was the Pope. JP asked him about his diocese and the bishop began to paint a flowery picture of how well he was doing, this campaign and that campaign. The Pope waited for him to finish. "Is that all, isn't there anything else you'd like to tell me?" "Nope."

JPII got up from his desk and began to put stacks of paperwork on his desk. When he finished the desk was loaded. The Pope told him that these piles of paperwork are all the complaints "I've been recieving about you." Then, he listed the complaints verbally to him.

The bishop was shamed and stripped of his position.

The liberals are having a field day pointing their collective finger at Our Holy Father.

11 posted on 03/24/2002 7:10:27 PM PST by Slyfox
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If we are to believe that the Pope is infallible

Popes are only infallible when officially defining church teaching. The present scandals are the result of the pope tolerating heresy, not teaching it.

12 posted on 03/24/2002 7:12:22 PM PST by Longshanks
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To: PFKEY
If we are to believe that the Pope is infallible ...

John Paul certainly does not believe himself to be infallible. Rather, he includes himself to be in the category of sinners amongst the rest of us sinners.

Why you gotta bother stirring up trouble with provocative, thinly veiled Catholic hating gibberish?

13 posted on 03/24/2002 7:15:20 PM PST by jgorris
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To: PFKEY
So I take it PFKEY has two mommies? (Or else your literal interpretation of the bible is actually not so literal after all since it allows you to call your own dad Father?)
14 posted on 03/24/2002 7:19:58 PM PST by Notwithstanding
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To: Longshanks
My family knew the late Bishop McGann for close to 50 years. Drolesky's over the top slander of a good man --- slander "with love" to be sure --- is the kind of silliness that hyper-conservative Catholics are famous for, and which the enemies of the Church point to with glee.
15 posted on 03/24/2002 7:21:24 PM PST by beckett
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To: PFKEY, Longshanks
With all due respect, PFKEY, your comments are worthless. This has nothing to do at all with infallibility as anyone who knows anything about the Catholic Church would understand.

I agree with most of what has been stated in the articles, and believe it is more an American problem than anything else. And it reflects the attitude and ideology of the activists on so many of the problems regarding morality that exist in this country today. The problem of dealing with the Church is the same as dealing with abortion, homosexuality, sex education, euthanasia, all of that kind of thought. How to organize in opposition to what is going on both inside and outside the Church.

What is required,IMHO, is a national movement with strong leadership, but within the Church,not outside it. I confess that I don't see where that would come from.

16 posted on 03/24/2002 7:25:59 PM PST by Sir Charles
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To: Longshanks
Although I am reading about this topic and have my own opinions concerning it, I think that it is an issue that the Catholics need to resolve themselves.
17 posted on 03/24/2002 7:29:31 PM PST by Ronin
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To: Longshanks
Demonstrations in front of chancery offices are a waste of time.

The Holy Father is a good and saintly man. He is leaving a comprehensive response to priestly pederasty to his successor.

Unfortunately, the American legal system grinds exceedingly fine, and there will be some significant financial exposure for the American Church in the short term.

18 posted on 03/24/2002 7:31:26 PM PST by sinkspur
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To: Longshanks
Popes are only infallible when officially defining church teaching.

Would these church teachings be something not revealed in the scriptures?

Is the pope getting new revelations from God?

All scripture is inspired by God and profitable for teaching, for reproof, for correction, and for training in righteousness

I warn every one who hears the words of the prophecy of this book: if any one adds to them, God will add to him the plagues described in this book

19 posted on 03/24/2002 7:31:31 PM PST by PFKEY
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To: jgorris
Please except my apology for stirring.

I just have an issue with the RCC and it's....

I'll stop there, sorry again!

20 posted on 03/24/2002 7:35:37 PM PST by PFKEY
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