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Man guilty of manslaughter in neighbor's slaying (Shot drunk, naked neighbor 8 times)
The Philadelphia Inquirer ^ | March 21, 2002 | Gaiutra Bahadur

Posted on 03/23/2002 6:02:00 AM PST by NittanyLion

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1 posted on 03/23/2002 6:02:00 AM PST by NittanyLion
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The tipsy neighbor didn't enter the house. He was walking away. The shooter killed him even after he was down. There were other options available. He deserves what he got. Case closed.

Leni

2 posted on 03/23/2002 6:08:13 AM PST by MinuteGal
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Sounds like the shooter was a sadistic bastard. The jury has spoken, away he goes.
3 posted on 03/23/2002 6:11:31 AM PST by Zorobabel
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Guilty.
4 posted on 03/23/2002 6:13:32 AM PST by csvset
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To: Zorobabel; MinuteGal
Agree with both of you. That said, who gets so drunk they walk outside naked and urinate on their lawn? I've had too many to drink quite a few times, but I always found the bathroom. Very strange...
5 posted on 03/23/2002 6:14:48 AM PST by NittanyLion
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You must lead a very sheltered life.

:-)

Leni

6 posted on 03/23/2002 6:20:44 AM PST by MinuteGal
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Had just ONE shot been fired... Bellina would not be (rightfully) going to Jail!!!
7 posted on 03/23/2002 6:20:54 AM PST by Dacus943
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Fwiw, If I saw my neighbor naked, I'd be running the other way, screaming.
8 posted on 03/23/2002 6:23:37 AM PST by csvset
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>That said, who gets so drunk they walk outside naked and urinate on their lawn? I've had too many to drink quite a few times, but I always found the bathroom.

I recall one dude who always liked to whiz out of his third floor dorm room rather than walk down the hall to the bathroom.

9 posted on 03/23/2002 6:24:01 AM PST by Dialup Llama
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You must lead a very sheltered life.

Well...hehehe...not exactly. But in his own house, no matter how drunk, you'd think he'd find the bathroom. After a while you can find it in your sleep, practically. Now I'll admit that in a strange surrounding, I've seen other people (not me, of course) have some problems finding the toilet bowl... ;-)

At PSU, bicycle cops used to hide behind bushes waiting for partiers to urinate in people's yards, then jump out and nail them with a fine. Luckily I never got caught; I knew a guy who beat the risk by "taking a knee". He'd start walking quickly to get ahead of the group, then get down on one knee and just remain motionless (like that statue "The Thinker"). I'll leave the rest to imagination.

10 posted on 03/23/2002 6:26:24 AM PST by NittanyLion
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Fwiw, If I saw my neighbor naked, I'd be running the other way, screaming.

Well, for me it might depend on what the neighbor looks like. LOL.

11 posted on 03/23/2002 6:28:24 AM PST by NittanyLion
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One has to remember, that the shooter did nothing to instigate. Too much force, over reacting, for sure. However the shooter was in his own home, and did nothing to begin the sad affair. Should he walk? NO... Spend a lot of time in prison?? NO....

A few days ago an FBI shooter shot an unarmed man in the face, a man that had done nothing. The FBI shooter will walk because "he thought his life was in danger". This shooter used excessive force, over reacted, he will not see one day behind bars. Yet the victim did nothing to instigate the shooting. He is ruined for life.

12 posted on 03/23/2002 6:30:36 AM PST by cynicom
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One has to remember, that the shooter did nothing to instigate. Too much force, over reacting, for sure. However the shooter was in his own home, and did nothing to begin the sad affair. Should he walk? NO... Spend a lot of time in prison?? NO....

If just 1-2 shots are fired he probably walks. This conviction is based on shots 3-8, including those fired when the dead guy was evidently on the ground.

I agree, if your alarm goes off at 4:30 and you see someone trying to get into your house, you'd be within your rights to take some serious action.

13 posted on 03/23/2002 6:36:12 AM PST by NittanyLion
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>The FBI shooter will walk because "he thought his life was in danger".

I've heard that exact phraseology used as an explanation in other deadly force incidents.

It is certainly not a defense available to civilians. I recall that someone attempted to use an "urban hypervigilance" defense and that didn't work.

14 posted on 03/23/2002 6:38:25 AM PST by Dialup Llama
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>But in his own house, no matter how drunk, you'd think he'd find the bathroom.
"Holtzman, who was living in his parents' basement... "

The now dead guy was living in his parents' basement. And still going out to get drunk at night. Maybe he went outside because [smiles] he didn't want to wake mom and dad by flushing the toilet in the house...

So, because this loser living in his parents' basement goes out and gets drunk, then can't use his parents' bathroom, an actual citizen, a home-owner living in his own home, a Vietnam vet, is going to jail.

I see the logic in the sentence, but I don't know that I agree. I know this sounds harsh, but the only thing the dead guy's death means is that some day he won't be appearing on the Springer show. At some point, we as a society may need to revamp the justice system to actually reward people for eliminating such losers from circulation. There are just too many worthless scum floating around in our society.

Mark W.

15 posted on 03/23/2002 6:46:43 AM PST by MarkWar
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Do you urinate on the lawn? Enquiring minds....

As Alpha Male, when I walk the dogs at night, I urinate on the lawn. Gotta to be the boss, you know.

16 posted on 03/23/2002 6:52:34 AM PST by Kermit
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>Now I'll admit that in a strange surrounding, I've seen other people (not me, of course) have some problems finding the toilet bowl... ;-)

People who are totally smashed sometimes find that the bathroom sink is a completely reasonable alternative to the urinal. The TV ads are right, judgement is the first thing to go.

17 posted on 03/23/2002 7:19:19 AM PST by Dialup Llama
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People who are totally smashed sometimes find that the bathroom sink is a completely reasonable alternative to the urinal. The TV ads are right, judgement is the first thing to go.

As George Constanza says, "It's all PIPES!"

18 posted on 03/23/2002 7:22:08 AM PST by NittanyLion
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A decision either is ok with me. Both of these guys deserve the Darwin award. One got it, one didn't. Who got it makes no difference.
19 posted on 03/23/2002 7:34:04 AM PST by theoutsideman
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who gets so drunk they walk outside naked and urinate on their lawn?

Well, I have had sorry experiences with neighbors drunken parties where they walked down the road and urinated in my yard--thankfully they were still wearing clothes.

20 posted on 03/23/2002 9:12:47 AM PST by scholar
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