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If we could just sort out the whereabouts of two vehicles at critical times, we could almost decide whether it is the VD's or Westerfield that are seriously guilty.

It has been widely alleged including by DW, that the vehicle of Damon van Dam was not at the VD home when he left for the bar nor had it returned when he returned from the bar.

IF THIS CAN BE TRUE, as checked by neighbors etc, then obviously the children were left alone in an unsecured house, and very probably all night---

and furthermore, the VD's entire story as told under oath would be FALSE, and one of the earlier rumors that he was away with another woman all night, would probably prove true.

One wonders whether his admission to "Barbara in bed" et al was not just to deflect suspicion away as to whether HE was even in the bed, much less Barbara.

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There is also now this latest question about the Westerfield SUV as distinguished from the RV. Perhaps DW was up loading the SUV vehicle late that evening, till 2 or 3, but that testimony has been called into question, and he may have simply gone to bed when he returned home at midnight. But THIS IS NOT THE VEHICLE that contained any prints, dna, or other evidence of Danielle/Brenda van Dam.

However early or late he last was in the vehicle on 2/1, did he let it sit there until he left in it some 9-or-10 for Hi-Valley to recover his RV-motorhome?

If so, that would virtually eliminate any chance that whatever was in the RV had any bearing on the fate of Danielle or vice-versa, since said RV was away in storage during the whole operative time. We also know where he went in it that weekend once he had it, which is very much anti-Dehesa if you see what I mean.

For any conventional guilt theory involving Westerfield to hold up at all well, we need for him to have somehow gotten up very early Sat. am, driven out to Hi-Valley, put something awful into the RV, without leaving any traces whatever of the unspeakable's presence in the SUV in which it had been taken out there...

And then he drove the awful thing out in the RV and dumped it at Dehesa, then returned to Hi-Valley, left the RV there again for the moment, returned to Sabre Springs in the SUV, stayed an hour at most, then returned yet again to Hi-Valley to pick up the RV and then return yet again to Sabre Springs by 9 am or so...

all of this unevidenced by the neighbors as far as I can see, who were up and around and thick as fleas on a dog. They say, if I understand anything, that he calmly slept in until he and the SUV left at 9:30 or 10?

First of all the DW being able to see into Danielle's bedroom crap.. I posted that. I got an e-mail from a friend who e-mailed someone she knows in SD. This person lives about 5 miles from SS and is married to someone in LE. The friend and I are polar opposites in this DW debate, although she will admit that the VD's are sleazy. I even tried to show my friend with maps, diagrams and photos and she know her source is RIGHT and NOTHING can change that upto and including facts. She's entitled to her opinion, even if she is a "soccer mom" (I mean that in clintonesque sort of way).

I know this thread was originally about sex offenders and pervs but look a some of the stuff in the non-tabloid, non-porn mags out there, it borders on porn and is extremely suggestive. I know men who have remarked upon the ads in these mags.

I think the neighbor, as well intentioned as she may be, is confused. "I noticed the blinds on that night but never looked before but I tell you it was then"... she suports that theory about birds of a feather... there shall be no blemish on suburbia or LE.

I think David is a target because of his success and that he's single. For Brenda's part, she would sell DW in a second, because if it was DvD, there's no guarantee she could get David other than for a quickie, He know what she IS. For DvD to hand him over, well it's just the competition. And besides if David's convicted, they can sue and they will win, even if he's not convicted they can still sue and win.

I don't see DW how he could have kidnapped and killed and dumped Danielle, in the time frame the police give since he had to use the RV. Maybe this is a smoke screen by SDPD, no it's just convenient. Fathers don't assault their children (yeah right), and single men with porn do. Brenda had to have know about the porn or suspected, it's just too easy. Even the DA knows that, and he's just trying keep the doubts lingering and they lynch mob stoked. As I've said often, no matter how distasteful you find porn, it does not a murderer make. Besides, if he was that in to it, there would be more recent porn and more than 1 interactive movie/cartoon. More people should understand this.

Okay, that's my 3 and one-half cents for this evening.

I had never thought it even worth dignifying that allegation for a second, but now that you have mentioned it again I will state that there is another house squeezed in between the VD and DW homes, and no part of the VD home can be surveilled to any effect from within the DW home and vice versa.

Indeed, the way they sit, it is probable that busy working people living in one would scarcely even see/notice the other from one year to the next.

" But THIS IS NOT THE VEHICLE that contained any prints, dna, or other evidence of Danielle/Brenda van Dam. "

So many flaws in this case, but this one is a biggie. How did she end up where she did? Why (that word again!) were there no traces of Danielle, nothing, not so much as a skin flake (apparently) in the SUV if that's how he transported her?