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Here is an interesting comparison of Sociopathic tendencies.....who fits the profile best???

David Westerfield.....or.....Damon van Dam......think about it.....

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Characteristic of the Sociopathic Personality:

Glibness/Superficial Charm Language can be used without effort by them to confuse and convince their audience. Captivating storytellers that exude self-confidence, they can spin a web that intrigues others. Since they are persuasive, they have the capacity to destroy their critics verbally or emotionally.

Manipulative and Conning They never recognize the rights of others and see their self-serving behaviors permissible. They appear to be charming, yet are covertly hostile and domineering, seeing their victim as merely an instrument to be used. He dominates and humiliates his victims.

Grandiose Sense of Self Feels entitled to certain things as "his right." Craves adulation and attention. Must be the center of attention with his own fantasies as the
"spokesman for God," "enlightened," "leader of humankind," etc. Creates an us-versus-them mentality.

Pathological Lying Has no problem lying coolly and easily and it is almost impossible for them to be truthful on a consistent basis. Can create, and get caught up in, a complex belief about their own powers and abilities. Extremely convincing and able to pass lie detector tests.

Lack of Remorse, Shame or Guilt A deep seated rage, which is split off and repressed, is at his core. Does not see others around him as people, but only as targets and opportunities. Instead of friends, they have victims and accomplices who end up as victims. The end always justifies the means and they let nothing stand in their way.

Shallow Emotions When they show what seems to be warmth, joy, love and compassion it is more feigned than experienced and serves an ulterior motive. Outraged by insignificant matters, yet remaining unmoved and cold by what would upset a normal person.  Since he is not genuine, neither are his promises.

Incapacity for Love While He talks about "God's love" he is unable to give or receive it. Since he does not believe in the geniuses of his followers' love, he is very harsh in testing it from his devotees and expects them to feel guilt for their failings. Expects unconditional surrender.

Need for Stimulation Living on the edge, yet testing the beliefs of their followers with bizarre rules, punishments and behaviors. Verbal outbursts and physical punishments are normal.

Callousness/Lack of Empathy Unable to emphasize with the pain of their victims, having only contempt for others' feelings of distress and readily taking advantage of them.  Their skills are used to exploit, abuse and exert power. Since the follower cannot believe their leader would callously hurt them, they rationalize his behavior as necessary for their ( or the group's) own "good" and deny the abuse. When devotees become aware of the exploitation it feels like a "spiritual rape" to them.

Poor Behavioral Controls/Impulsive Nature Rage and abuse, alternating with small expressions of love and approval produce an addictive cycle for abuser and abused, as well as creating hopelessness in the victim. Believes he is all-powerful, all-knowing, entitled to every wish, no sense of personal boundaries, no concern for his impact on others. His followers only see him as near perfect.

Early Behavior Problems/Juvenile Delinquency Usually has a history of behavioral and academic difficulties, yet "gets by" by conning others. Problems in making and keeping friends; aberrant behaviors such as cruelty to people or animals, stealing, etc.

Irresponsibility/Unreliability Not concerning about wrecking others' lives and dreams. Oblivious or indifferent to the devastation they cause. Does not accept blame themselves, but blame their followers or others outside their group. Blame reinforces passivity and obedience and produces guilt, shame, terror and conformity in the followers.

Promiscuous Sexual Behavior/Infidelity Totalist leaders frequently practice promiscuity, child sexual abuse, rape and sexual acting out of all sorts. This is usually kept hidden from all but the inner circle. Stringent sexual control of their followers, such as forced breakups and divorces, removal of children from parents, rules for dating, etc.

Lack of Realistic Life Plan/Parasitic Lifestyle Tends to move around a lot or makes all encompassing promises for the future. Many groups claim as their goal world- domination or other utopian promises. Great contrast between the leader's opulent lifestyle and the followers' impoverishment. Support by gifts and donations from his followers who are pressured to give through fear and guilt. Highly sensitive to their own pain and health.

Criminal or Entrepreneurial Versatility Changes their image and that of the group as needed to avoid prosecution and to increase income and to recruit a range of members. Is able to adapt or relocate as needed to preserve the group. Can resurface later with a new name, a new front group and a new twist on the scam.

Other Related Qualities:


1 posted on 03/22/2002 9:04:21 AM PST by FresnoDA
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To: FresnoDA
Thanks for the new thread.. :)
2 posted on 03/22/2002 9:10:53 AM PST by Freedom2specul8
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To: FresnoDA
Here is an interesting comparison of Sociopathic tendencies.....who fits the profile best???

A certain former president.

4 posted on 03/22/2002 9:12:52 AM PST by SMASH IMPERIALIST LIBERALISM!!
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To: FresnoDA
Characteristic of the Sociopathic Personality:

Are you talking about van Dam or Bill Clinton??

My vote is Clinton.
5 posted on 03/22/2002 9:14:19 AM PST by My Identity
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To: FresnoDA
Wow! That describes Hillary Rodham.
9 posted on 03/22/2002 9:20:08 AM PST by Reeses
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To: FresnoDA
Actually it is scary how accurately the Characteristics List describes a certain former president. This is not news. What I do find troubling is that, even though the diagnoses seems obvious, few opinion makers (notably Morris and Sullivan) ever commented on it.

Off-topic musing...sorry
11 posted on 03/22/2002 9:21:52 AM PST by My Identity
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To: FresnoDA
Ho, hum. Another VD thread, and still the appalling lack of hard or new data.

Obviously, if we knew all there was to know, about the lives of Westerfield, or of the Van Dams, in the say 60 days before the Danielle event, I think that the life and lifestyle of Westerfield is far more conventional, usual, and thus "boring" to read about, than the VD's!

Wow, that could be quite a novel in itself!

Again I will post the percentages in this case.

1. How did Danielle leave her home for the last time?

Carried out DEAD-- 72%

Carried out ALIVE--5%

Walked out voluntarily with someone she trusted--17%

Walked out alone, possibly to seek help for parents, others, dog--6%

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2. Who is guilty of one or more felonies under California law in connection with the Danielle event?

Her parents alone--20%

Her parents----but one or more others may have aided, abetted, accessoried before or after fact, had/hid guilty knowledge, helped cover-up, dispose of body, etc---40%

Some conspiracy involving more or less equal felonious guilt between a third party and one or both of the parents--13%

Third party is mostly guilty, but one or both parents have aided, abetted, accessoried before or after fact, had/hid guilty knowledge, helped cover-up, plant/fake/dispose of body or other evidence etc---8%

Third party is guilty, parents innocent of any felony in the disappearance, though they may be guilty of neglecting children or of drug charges--19%; of which Westerfield 14%; others who had been in the home with permission between 10 AM 2/1 and 10 AM 2/2 5%; total stranger forced abduction: 1%.

16 posted on 03/22/2002 9:26:25 AM PST by crystalk
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To: FresnoDA
Yes, sounds like Clinton (and my mother in law).
17 posted on 03/22/2002 9:29:09 AM PST by Lanza
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Now that we've got Clinton diagnosed, what say we get on to Van Dam and Westerfield?
26 posted on 03/22/2002 9:39:50 AM PST by beckett
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To: FresnoDA
Very interesting. I think he is part of a set-up. The VD's IMO are in on it.
28 posted on 03/22/2002 9:42:16 AM PST by hsmomx3
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To: FresnoDA
Here is an interesting comparison of Sociopathic tendencies.....who fits the profile best???

Most politicians.

47 posted on 03/22/2002 10:39:56 AM PST by El Sordo
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To: FresnoDA
Here is an interesting comparison of Sociopathic tendencies.....who fits the profile best???

Most politicians.

48 posted on 03/22/2002 10:48:44 AM PST by El Sordo
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Oh jeeeeeeeeeez... I dated Mr Sociopathic Personality for over a year. I'm so glad he's out of my life. What a weird scary trip as the light finally turned on and I realized EVERYTHING was a LIE.
62 posted on 03/22/2002 12:15:04 PM PST by ValerieUSA
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To: FresnoDA
Opportunity crime and jurisdiction violation. Ask a liberal to have their naked pictures taken for free and then sold to your own profit, they will scream capitalist exploitative murder. Now ask them if it is ok for children to be exploited, they will tell you yes.
80 posted on 03/23/2002 9:45:10 AM PST by lavaroise
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To: FresnoDA
Some of this sounds like the arabian muslim extremists.
128 posted on 03/25/2002 6:45:05 AM PST by Republic
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Situational Child Molester

Situational Child Molesters do not have a true sexual preference for children, but engage in sex with children for varied and complex reasons. This type of molester may engage in sex with a child, ranging from a once-in-a-lifetime act to a long-term pattern of behavior. The more long-term the behavior is, the more difficult it is to distinguish from a preferential molester. Members of lower socioeconomic groups tend to be over represented among situational child molesters.

Would these "situational" molesters mostly be drug addicts?

156 posted on 03/25/2002 8:03:19 PM PST by xm177e2
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To: FresnoDA
It's amazing how eager people are to crucify the VD's just because they don't like their lifestyle even if the evidence points towards someone else.
160 posted on 03/25/2002 9:29:20 PM PST by garbanzo
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To: FresnoDA
Thanks for staying on this. I haven't the time or resources to investigate, but my gut has been bothering me somethin' fierce about this thing.

I think you're connecting the dots.

173 posted on 03/27/2002 8:08:54 PM PST by Old Fud
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