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Hmmmmm....Zoning versus the constitution versus state's rights, etc and so on :)
1 posted on 03/21/2002 3:18:59 AM PST by chance33_98
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To: *gov_watch;*Constitution list;*BillofRights
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2 posted on 03/21/2002 3:20:14 AM PST by chance33_98
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To: chance33_98
Wonder if the same ordnance would apply to "other" groups meeting in their homes... groups who might be offended by our flag.
3 posted on 03/21/2002 3:28:04 AM PST by tutstar
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To: chance33_98
Under the current zoning law, operating a synagogue or any function related to synagogue or church services is not a permitted use in residential zoned area, Local 6 News reported. However, Konikov believed the ordinance violated his religious rights.

Please note: Orthodox Jews are forbidden to travel on the Sabbath. They are permitted only to walk a short distance. So this zoning law essentially makes it impossible for Orthodox Jews to live or to wosrhip in this area.

It also would forbid Christian prayer groups to meet in home for bible study, and for prayer. But at least Christians could meet elsewhere. Orthodox Jews could not.

4 posted on 03/21/2002 3:28:28 AM PST by LadyDoc
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To: wafflehouse
bump for later
5 posted on 03/21/2002 3:30:08 AM PST by wafflehouse
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To: chance33_98
It disturbs the people sleeping in the Crack house across the street.
8 posted on 03/21/2002 3:45:37 AM PST by AppyPappy
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To: chance33_98
It's a horrible rule, but is it illegal? It seems municipalities have pretty wide lattitude when it comes to zoning.
12 posted on 03/21/2002 3:51:54 AM PST by mmmmmmmm....... donuts
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To: chance33_98; homeschool mama; Brad's Gramma
My uncle was talking about these zoning laws 20 years ago, warning me, etc. I thought he was off his rocker. "Yeah right, you paranoid freak." (I was a stupid teenager back then). Looks like he was right.

This is pretty scary because our churches always have get togethers at someone's home for singing, prayers and eating.

13 posted on 03/21/2002 3:57:28 AM PST by SpookBrat
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To: chance33_98
I have this same situation in my neighborhood. Never gave it much thought, other than to notice that there are many more Orthodox Jews living within walking distance of me than I would have guessed. Haven't the faintest idea what the local zoning laws say on the subject.
16 posted on 03/21/2002 4:11:46 AM PST by PBRSTREETGANG
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To: chance33_98
"Under the current zoning law, operating a synagogue or any function related to synagogue or church services is not a permitted use in residential zoned area, Local 6 News reported."

I smell a Lawsuit! Unless I am mistaken it is a pretty common practice for Jewish people to hold prayer meetings/religious services in private homes of their members. I think this dates back to the time of the exile. Sounds like the State is trying to interfere with the practice of religion. Like maybe separation of Church and State is being violated here?

18 posted on 03/21/2002 4:13:52 AM PST by Destructor
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To: chance33_98
Once more we have a condition in the mind of public servants that they get to stomp all over the RIGHT of people to use their property as they wish.

The laws put in place by a board or trust or governmental agency or entity DO NOT get to run over your rights under the constitution. As I understand titles and dees, unless you agree on your title or deed to land as to the specific use of it it is yours to do with as you please. This is why I detets and do not obey PERMITS for anything on my property. To say that I have to have a permit to do or accomplish ANY thing on my property is DEPRIVATION of my right to do with my property as I see fit. This includes any activity on it as well.

There are many who then tell me that it is a protection for me and my neighbors. I laugh at them. I am to be responsible. Period dot. the law on that is clear. If I build something and it causes harm, I am in trouble for it and responsible for it. I do not need to be told that I may not do it because it MAY harm someone. That is deprivation of my right to my property unless I pay their blackmail fee. I put up a shed I have to both seek permission and pay their blackmail fee. I will not. I will also have over however many I please as long as I can safely fit them on my property for what ever reason I wish as long as I do no harm to others or raise a ruckus.

If this Rabbi bends to their wishes, it is nothing more than playing into the hands of the love-to-control-your-life-freaks.

19 posted on 03/21/2002 4:35:05 AM PST by ICE-FLYER
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To: chance33_98
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Orange County Fla Code Enforcement

Freep Away


21 posted on 03/21/2002 4:38:27 AM PST by Revelation 911
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26 posted on 03/21/2002 4:48:03 AM PST by Revelation 911
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To: chance33_98
They should obviously attempt a forcible arrest and hope it goes better than this one. What ever happened to property rights? When did "neighbors' concerns" incorporate and usurp our constitution?

Kalifornia, here we come, right back where we legislate from!

27 posted on 03/21/2002 4:59:37 AM PST by antidisestablishment
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To: chance33_98
"All we wanted to do is share my Saturday meals with friends,"

It's not just Saturdays. Here's a link to an Orlando Sentinel article:

click here

Here's a quote from tha article:

Neighbors complained to the county about cars parked on their lawns, in some instances breaking sprinkler heads.

“It’s not just small, occasional gatherings,” said Ted McDonald, who lives a few doors down from Konikov and is president of the Sand Lake Hills Homeowners Association. He said the rabbi sometimes hosts nearly a dozen meetings a week.

While I would object strongly if this were only a small religious gathering, something of this magnitude should find somewhere other than a residence to meet.

29 posted on 03/21/2002 5:28:48 AM PST by Truth Addict
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To: chance33_98
Uh, I'd say it infringes on your right to gather, and your right to freedom of speech and Religion. This is nothing more than one little swipe at freedom. This isn't about religion, this is about controlling people. I'm not Jewish, but in all honesty, what the heck is wrong with people praying at a friend's house??? Good God, the next thing you'll see is families being told they can't pray before a meal because somebody might get offended. This is disgraceful, and borders on totalitarianism.
30 posted on 03/21/2002 5:36:58 AM PST by MadRobotArtist
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To: chance33_98
...sounds like Red China...or Saudi Arabia
34 posted on 03/21/2002 6:49:39 AM PST by japaneseghost
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To: chance33_98
Why do I have the image of the rabbi holding a quiet prayer meeting in an attic, with the "door" to the attic cleverly hidden behind a dresser...
50 posted on 03/22/2002 6:20:43 AM PST by Ward Smythe
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