From a Paleo conservative who defended this frig before I apologize. I am sorry I defended him against charges of anti semitism. IT now seems clear that he is an anti semite.
Do Islamic Arabs in Isreal have more rights and freedom and live a better life than those under Arafat? Yes, of course they do!
Indeed- Palestinians are treated like dirt in the rest of the Arab world. Sobran must know this. Indeed he does. He is a Jew Hater. Not an "anti semite". That is too general. Sobran Hates Jews. He hates Isreal. It was once a professional matter for him but it is now personal. He hates Isreal out of personal motive. What a sad man.
1 posted on
03/20/2002 7:30:42 PM PST by
Burkeman1
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To: Burkeman1
It's also a bit revealing that he refers to Christians in the same derogatory manner as he refers to Jews. I just don't see the people carrying suicide bombs from Palestine into Israel as being either Jew or devout Christian. So I really don't wonder too much whether this fellow is friend or foe.
2 posted on
03/20/2002 7:37:00 PM PST by
Cvengr
To: Burkeman1
Many on that blown-apart bus yesterday were Arab Israelis -- I'd certainly call that "brutal treatment of gentiles" -- by other gentiles.
To: Burkeman1
I wouldn't regard myself as a conspiracy theorist but something tells me the Arabs and some others have been paying Sobran and his ilk for this swill.
5 posted on
03/20/2002 7:45:46 PM PST by
HockeyPop
To: Burkeman1
I am a white christian male of scandinavian descent that does not go to church. I am 100% pro israel. As far as I am concerned, israel should include suez and lebanon. Any concessions to arafat or the palistinians absolutely disgust me, as does the european favoritism of arafat. Arafat is not legitimate, he should not be talking to any american polititian, ever. No american should recognize him as anything other than a thug and a criminal. The situation is very frustrating to me. Maybe a showdown would fix it, I just don't know.
To: Burkeman1
Sobran is about as sharp as a marble. I'd have more respect for guys like Sobran and Buchanan if they'd just admit they didn't like Jews.
To: Blade
I agree with every word.
9 posted on
03/20/2002 7:51:41 PM PST by
Blade
To: Burkeman1
Sobran is referring to the Institute for Historical Review (ihr.org), a holocaust "revisionist" (read "denial") site, founded by Willis Carto, an open antisemite, and former owner of Spotlight magazine.
Thank you for finally seeing the light.
10 posted on
03/20/2002 7:52:00 PM PST by
Catspaw
To: Burkeman1
Israel is based on the principle that Jews have rights goyim dont have.No more so than Japan is a country based on the principle that the Japanese have rights "Gaijin" don't have. But who cares?
alleged anti-Semites as David Duke and Louis Farrakhan
Sobran has really gone off the deep end this time... they all slip up eventually...
17 posted on
03/20/2002 8:12:59 PM PST by
xm177e2
To: Burkeman1
Get a grip, Joseph. If the Palestinians stopped their terrorism, I guarantee that the Israelis would no longer be firing their weapons.
21 posted on
03/20/2002 8:18:27 PM PST by
kickme
To: Burkeman1
Sobran's feeble attempt to compare the current events in Israel with past events in Kosovo goes to show just how morally bankrupt he really is.
22 posted on
03/20/2002 8:19:03 PM PST by
semaj
To: Burkeman1
"Ariel Sharon has finally gone too far. Israels thuggish prime minister thought he could crush the Palestinian revolt with a policy of violence, killing Palestinians until they begged for mercy. But the policy has backfired by getting lots of Jews killed too, and the violence on both sides is escalating dangerously. All I can say is I'm quite disappionted in Sobran. How can he honestly think this? Sobran thinks the terror bombings and murders of Israeli civilians is equivalent to Israeli reprisals against Arafat's terrorist militias? Sobran -- you've lost your mind on this.
29 posted on
03/20/2002 8:30:06 PM PST by
StormEye
To: Burkeman1
Well, at least Sobran has fellow travelers who have infested FR. And they are myriad.
Sad, but true.
31 posted on
03/20/2002 8:36:22 PM PST by
rdb3
To: Burkeman1
The Easter Bunny could be the Israeli P.M. and Israel would still face murders daily. Sharon is a media whipping boy. There is no term which would end the arab war to destroy Israel.
To: Burkeman1;LarryLied;CommiesOut;Phil V.
WHY DID YOU LEAVE THIS PART OUT(BOLD)??????
The notorious "Holocaust denier" Mark Weber, of the Institute for Historical Review, has summed up the situation in one pithy sentence: "The truth is that if we held Israel to the same standards that we apply to Serbia, Afghanistan, and Iraq, U.S. bombers and missiles would be blasting Tel Aviv, and we'd be putting Israeli prime minister Sharon behind bars for war crimes and crimes against humanity."
46 posted on
03/20/2002 11:22:12 PM PST by
mv1
To: Burkeman1
Sobran is getting more and more trivial (I guess it is the destiny of every mind overcome by hatred).
But the policy has backfired by getting lots of Jews killed too That is indeed breaking news: Jews are being killed as a result of Sharon's policies. There was no such thing, you see, before before Sharon. No wars launched by the Arab world against Israel. Not the Intifada of the early 1990s. No Israeli athletes killed at the 1972 Olympic Games. D-mn Sharon: Jews begin to be killed because of him.
One could also ask Sobran: where was he and his outrage when Arafat's thugs destroyed Lebanon and liberated it from its own citizens? Which claims to the land did these "fighters" have in Lebanon. One could also ask Sobran whether he remembers how Arafat's thugs got there. It is after they raised hell against the King of Jordan, who controlled the now disputed territories, and after the King forcefully suppressed Arafat's attempt to overtake Jordan by killing about 20,000 of his fellow Arab Muslims --- is after that Arafat's fighters moved to Lebanon.
Did any of that bother you, Mr. Sobran? Are you aware of these facts? Or, do you disregard things unless they deal with the Joooos?
treating Jews as Israel treats gentiles So Israel treats Palestinians in a way questionable by Sobran because of the
religious differences, because Palestinians are gentiles? Is there evidence of such things in the millennia past? Why does Israel concentrate only on the Muslim, Arab gentiles living on this particular land and does not treat any other gentiles similarly? Not the Egyptian gentiles, although they fought wars in the past; not Turkish gentiles, with whom they always had peace; not Hindu gentiles, not Christian gentiles. Somehow, Israel exhibits its hatred of gentiles only if you are (i) Muslim, (ii) Arab, (iii) live on disputed territories, and (iv) participate actively in terrorist acts.
What a moron you are, Mr. Sobran.
Another giveaway, which Freud would call a projection: Not all the members of the Amen Corner are Jewish. Many are Christians a shameful fact, since they never raise their voices in defense of Palestinian Christians.
It does not even occur to this bigot that modern Christians and Jews do not align themselves along the lines of faith but with right against wrong, with good against evil. Presently, this is a distinguishing feature, prescribed indeed by Islam, of the Arab world.
In that sense, Mr. Sobran thinks like a medieval Arab and makes a projection on the rest of us.
war with Israels enemies, chiefly Iraq. If that happens, we probably wont be as lucky as in the 1991 Gulf War, which ended with an easy American victory
We had "and easy victory" in part because Israelis bombed Iraqi nuclear installations ten years earlier. As G. Will pointed out, without the Israeli raid, "there would have been no Desert Storm." We would be restrained by the Iraqi nuclear capabilities.
Say "thank you," Mr. Sobran.
58 posted on
03/21/2002 3:10:47 PM PST by
TopQuark
To: Burkeman1
You have my respect, sir.
We all live and learn. Some things are not immediately obvious and take time to reveal themselves. It is a sign of a truly honest, intellectually pure thinker to yield to the newly available information and abandon the previously held beliefs under the preponderance of evidence to the contrary.
Thank you for your post.
59 posted on
03/21/2002 3:19:06 PM PST by
TopQuark
To: Burkeman1
bump
74 posted on
03/22/2002 3:11:36 PM PST by
suekas
To: Burkeman1
This guy is a nut.....Blitzkrieg fodder so to speak. Let's send him down and let him wander around Rammallah for a few minutes and kibbitz with his beloved Pali victims. He'll end like that poor bleary eyed American girl who went to Soweto to help the poor downtrodden blacks...dead.
What a weak SOB.
80 posted on
03/22/2002 9:34:56 PM PST by
wardaddy
To: Burkeman1
obviously freebasing whilst reading Elders of the protocol of Zion,what level of horror is necessary before idiots like this man and the State Department realise who the bad guys are,
To: Burkeman1
What an ass. Sobran just lost my respect.
Someone should inform him that in Revelation [the last book in the Bible] we are told about what will happen to Israel, and to all the remaining major world powers at that time. Russia and China attack Israel, and the entire world [what's left of it, anyway] approves of and goes along with the action.
Russia and China are mentioned. Israel is mentioned. America is not mentioned. In other words, we get dusted first, then the rest of the world powers...,
...and Israel is unharmed. It'll sure be easy to see if the last great prophecy in the Bible comes true, won't it? Thus far, all the others have...
86 posted on
03/23/2002 4:09:36 AM PST by
Dynamo
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