If you had said, "Well, at least Sobran has those that agree with him who post on FR, and there are a lot of them", would that change any of the harmonics of your communication? 
Posted on 03/20/2002 7:30:42 PM PST by Burkeman1
March 12, 2002 Ariel Sharon has finally gone too far. Israel’s thuggish prime minister thought he could crush the Palestinian revolt with a policy of violence, killing Palestinians until they begged for mercy. But the policy has backfired by getting lots of Jews killed too, and the violence on both sides is escalating dangerously. Even Sharon’s indulgent American patrons, George W. Bush and Colin Powell, have called for a halt to the madness.
Sharon is acting according to his lights. He has never concealed his contempt for “the goy” — the gentile. Israel is based on the principle that Jews have rights “goyim” don’t have. Hence its abuse of Arab gentiles and its defiance of Western gentiles.
Mark Weber of the Institute for Historical Review has summed up the situation in one pithy sentence: “The truth is that if we held Israel to the same standards that we apply to Serbia, Afghanistan, and Iraq, U.S. bombers and missiles would be blasting Tel Aviv, and we’d be putting Israeli prime minister Sharon behind bars for war crimes and crimes against humanity.”
Unless I’ve missed something, even such alleged “anti-Semites” as David Duke and Louis Farrakhan don’t advocate treating Jews as Israel treats gentiles. Anyone with a spark of decency would be ashamed to treat Jews that way. Yet a gentile can be accused of anti-Semitism even for the purely verbal sin of criticizing Israel, whereas a Jew who supports Sharon’s physical cruelty is accused of ... well, nothing. We have no handy word for even the most brutal Jewish treatment of gentiles.
To challenge the Jews’ right to oppress Palestinians is called “denying Israel’s right to exist.” Apparently its “right to exist” includes the right to oppress, and is indeed inseparable from it. Even the “peace plans” that call for separate Jewish and Palestinian states seem to take for granted the right of the Jewish state to treat Arabs within its borders as inferiors.
Perish the thought that Jews and gentiles should be equal! That would be anti-Semitism.
According to Israel’s “amen corner” in this country, Israel can do no wrong, except to concede too much to the Palestinians. Israel is a heroic “democracy” even when it treats its minority like dirt, and a “reliable ally” of the United States even when it steals American military secrets and sells them to Communist countries.
It’s an article of faith among the Amen Corner that the Israeli spy Jonathan Pollard — a national hero in Israel, by the way — has been punished far too harshly for his crimes, since the United States should have shared those secrets with Israel anyway. And far from recoiling from Sharon’s brutality, the Amen Corner defends him at every turn, just as Stalin’s fellow travelers in this country used to justify Uncle Joe — except that some in the Amen Corner think Sharon isn’t going far enough.
Not all the members of the Amen Corner are Jewish. Many are Christians — a shameful fact, since they never raise their voices in defense of Palestinian Christians. “See how these Christians love one another!” This kind of loyalty might make Judas Iscariot queasy.
The obvious danger is that the United States will once more be drawn into war with Israel’s enemies, chiefly Iraq. If that happens, we probably won’t be as lucky as in the 1991 Gulf War, which ended with an easy American victory and little cost until last September 11. This time the whole Middle East could erupt in war and revolution, leaving us with countless millions of bitter enemies on top of those we already have. It will be a boon to al-Qaeda recruitment.
The U.S. Government is toying with the possibility of using nuclear weapons in the war ahead — the war that the “war on terrorism” may morph into. We can be sure that the fanatical Sharon won’t object, and some of his American apologists are sounding rather interested in the idea of nuking Arabs. If the United States does it, Israel won’t have to.
We can only hope that Bush, Powell, and the rest of the top echelon of the government — which may or may not include Congress these days — will come to their senses before they decide to strike Iraq. U.S. support for Israel has already cost us far too much, and it may yet cost us far more. Ariel Sharon leaves no excuse for blindness about what we are dealing with.
Joseph Sobran
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The expansionist nature of Islam creates troubles. The Jews of Arabia tried to co-exist with Mohammed when he was leading a small sect. A few years later, he slaughtered the men and raped the women of the Jewish communities.
Many Muslims have theologic problems with Jews having Israel as they also have a replacement theology.
. I bet that Muslim student was very glad to get an invite to your table. I have noticed that even the most uptight and politicised Muslims are in a way relaxed when they socialise in a Jewish millieu. They know that the food is "clean", and that they won't get ridiculed for following the customs of washing etc.
1. Mo was not particularly religious and did not practice Halal.
2. My family is not observent, but we do keep some Kosher food.
I just try to treat all people with respect.
Someone should inform him that in Revelation [the last book in the Bible] we are told about what will happen to Israel, and to all the remaining major world powers at that time. Russia and China attack Israel, and the entire world [what's left of it, anyway] approves of and goes along with the action.
Russia and China are mentioned. Israel is mentioned. America is not mentioned. In other words, we get dusted first, then the rest of the world powers...,
...and Israel is unharmed. It'll sure be easy to see if the last great prophecy in the Bible comes true, won't it? Thus far, all the others have...
And Israeli Arabs most definitely have the vote and put Ehud Barak into office instead of Netanyahu a few years back. They gave Barak the margin of victory. They have a bunch of loudmouth representatives in the Knesset too. Israel is the most democratic nation in the MidEast.
If you had said, "Well, at least Sobran has those that agree with him who post on FR, and there are a lot of them", would that change any of the harmonics of your communication?
Show me, in the record, where I referred to anyone as a "communist" regarding Jews, Israel, or those who are anti-Israel.
Thank you.
Now I get it! You're talking about the term "fellow travelers." Well, that term doesn't necessarily mean just communists.
At any rate, and honest to God above, it was not my intent to infer that those who are anti-Israel are "communists." That wasn't even on my mind.
"Propagandist(s)?" Wow! I only thought I was a software developing geek.
Propagandist. Interesting. First time I've ever had that said about me.
This is a question that deserves an answer as it is truly at the heart of the matter. I've come up with a couple solutions after asking myself the same thing a few times. It is sickening to see the news accounts of innocents blown to pieces by martyrs.
Solution 1. Build a wall and throw everyone out who doesn't have your best interests at heart. These interest might include a respect for life, for youth, and a committment toward living in peace. Say good-bye to those that don't pass the smell test and close the gates.
Solution 2. Disavow any connections to any superpowers. Put on your desert camo, head out at night and kill every living thing within a hundred mile radius of your border.
Solution 3. Along with a Palestinian state, petition the U.S. for acceptance into statehood- to be 'ruled' by our set of laws based upon our Constituion and Bill of Rights, relinquishing any claims of national sovereignty. This method is the least bloody and would provide the best guarantee of stopping terrorism. Rights and priviledges would be bestowed to all and this should, in and of itself, end the suicidal attacks and utter disrespect for human life that is taking place today.
What's absent in the 'territory' is a "Great White Chief", someone both parties may look to for a fair resolution of their disputes. Forget the U.N., their track record stinks and they were not founded by men who lived under tyranny and opted for, and thereby designed a system of, government placing individual liberties above all else.
Solution 4. Not much of a solution, just a very loud bang, forget-about-it.
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