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Killing Gentiles
Joe's mind ^ | This month | Joe Sobran

Posted on 03/20/2002 7:30:42 PM PST by Burkeman1

March 12, 2002 Ariel Sharon has finally gone too far. Israel’s thuggish prime minister thought he could crush the Palestinian revolt with a policy of violence, killing Palestinians until they begged for mercy. But the policy has backfired by getting lots of Jews killed too, and the violence on both sides is escalating dangerously. Even Sharon’s indulgent American patrons, George W. Bush and Colin Powell, have called for a halt to the madness.

Sharon is acting according to his lights. He has never concealed his contempt for “the goy” — the gentile. Israel is based on the principle that Jews have rights “goyim” don’t have. Hence its abuse of Arab gentiles and its defiance of Western gentiles.

Mark Weber of the Institute for Historical Review has summed up the situation in one pithy sentence: “The truth is that if we held Israel to the same standards that we apply to Serbia, Afghanistan, and Iraq, U.S. bombers and missiles would be blasting Tel Aviv, and we’d be putting Israeli prime minister Sharon behind bars for war crimes and crimes against humanity.”

Unless I’ve missed something, even such alleged “anti-Semites” as David Duke and Louis Farrakhan don’t advocate treating Jews as Israel treats gentiles. Anyone with a spark of decency would be ashamed to treat Jews that way. Yet a gentile can be accused of anti-Semitism even for the purely verbal sin of criticizing Israel, whereas a Jew who supports Sharon’s physical cruelty is accused of ... well, nothing. We have no handy word for even the most brutal Jewish treatment of gentiles.

To challenge the Jews’ right to oppress Palestinians is called “denying Israel’s right to exist.” Apparently its “right to exist” includes the right to oppress, and is indeed inseparable from it. Even the “peace plans” that call for separate Jewish and Palestinian states seem to take for granted the right of the Jewish state to treat Arabs within its borders as inferiors.

Perish the thought that Jews and gentiles should be equal! That would be anti-Semitism.

According to Israel’s “amen corner” in this country, Israel can do no wrong, except to concede too much to the Palestinians. Israel is a heroic “democracy” even when it treats its minority like dirt, and a “reliable ally” of the United States even when it steals American military secrets and sells them to Communist countries.

It’s an article of faith among the Amen Corner that the Israeli spy Jonathan Pollard — a national hero in Israel, by the way — has been punished far too harshly for his crimes, since the United States should have shared those secrets with Israel anyway. And far from recoiling from Sharon’s brutality, the Amen Corner defends him at every turn, just as Stalin’s fellow travelers in this country used to justify Uncle Joe — except that some in the Amen Corner think Sharon isn’t going far enough.

Not all the members of the Amen Corner are Jewish. Many are Christians — a shameful fact, since they never raise their voices in defense of Palestinian Christians. “See how these Christians love one another!” This kind of loyalty might make Judas Iscariot queasy.

The obvious danger is that the United States will once more be drawn into war with Israel’s enemies, chiefly Iraq. If that happens, we probably won’t be as lucky as in the 1991 Gulf War, which ended with an easy American victory and little cost until last September 11. This time the whole Middle East could erupt in war and revolution, leaving us with countless millions of bitter enemies on top of those we already have. It will be a boon to al-Qaeda recruitment.

The U.S. Government is toying with the possibility of using nuclear weapons in the war ahead — the war that the “war on terrorism” may morph into. We can be sure that the fanatical Sharon won’t object, and some of his American apologists are sounding rather interested in the idea of nuking Arabs. If the United States does it, Israel won’t have to.

We can only hope that Bush, Powell, and the rest of the top echelon of the government — which may or may not include Congress these days — will come to their senses before they decide to strike Iraq. U.S. support for Israel has already cost us far too much, and it may yet cost us far more. Ariel Sharon leaves no excuse for blindness about what we are dealing with.

Joseph Sobran

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To: rmlew
Your wrote: "various religions ... Islam is the one other than Judaism that I could deal with ... " Your view is entirely reasonable, for there is no cultural or theological reason for any clash between these two religions. The only reason is politics, and it changes all the time, and will change again. I bet that Muslim student was very glad to get an invite to your table. I have noticed that even the most uptight and politicised Muslims are in a way relaxed when they socialise in a Jewish millieu. They know that the food is "clean", and that they won't get ridiculed for following the customs of washing etc.
81 posted on 03/22/2002 9:39:09 PM PST by BlackVeil
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To: BlackVeil
You need to read up on the Koran and Sharia. Oriental Jews and Arabs Muslims may look a bit alike and eat similar foods but the instructions are quite clear in the aforementioned books about Infidels. Look it up. FR has had reams of threads on this very subject.
82 posted on 03/22/2002 9:43:56 PM PST by wardaddy
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To: Burkeman1
obviously freebasing whilst reading Elders of the protocol of Zion,what level of horror is necessary before idiots like this man and the State Department realise who the bad guys are,
83 posted on 03/22/2002 9:55:50 PM PST by Governor StrangeReno
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To: BlackVeil
Your wrote: "various religions ... Islam is the one other than Judaism that I could deal with ... " Your view is entirely reasonable, for there is no cultural or theological reason for any clash between these two religions. The only reason is politics, and it changes all the time, and will change again.

The expansionist nature of Islam creates troubles. The Jews of Arabia tried to co-exist with Mohammed when he was leading a small sect. A few years later, he slaughtered the men and raped the women of the Jewish communities.
Many Muslims have theologic problems with Jews having Israel as they also have a replacement theology.

. I bet that Muslim student was very glad to get an invite to your table. I have noticed that even the most uptight and politicised Muslims are in a way relaxed when they socialise in a Jewish millieu. They know that the food is "clean", and that they won't get ridiculed for following the customs of washing etc.
1. Mo was not particularly religious and did not practice Halal.
2. My family is not observent, but we do keep some Kosher food.
I just try to treat all people with respect.

84 posted on 03/22/2002 10:26:07 PM PST by rmlew
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To: Burkeman1
Quite true, the Palestinians welcomed their liberation from the Turks, but only until they found out what the British really had in store for them, in true Machiavellian, self-interested fashion, a selling out of their land for Rothschild gold.
As to rights of Palis in Israel, they include the 'right' not to own land, the 'right' not to have bank accounts, the 'right' not to receive money, the 'right' not to have their own sacred burial grounds, and a 'right' to have LIMITED representation in the Knesset.
85 posted on 03/23/2002 3:49:51 AM PST by boltfromblue
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To: Burkeman1
What an ass. Sobran just lost my respect.

Someone should inform him that in Revelation [the last book in the Bible] we are told about what will happen to Israel, and to all the remaining major world powers at that time. Russia and China attack Israel, and the entire world [what's left of it, anyway] approves of and goes along with the action.

Russia and China are mentioned. Israel is mentioned. America is not mentioned. In other words, we get dusted first, then the rest of the world powers...,

...and Israel is unharmed. It'll sure be easy to see if the last great prophecy in the Bible comes true, won't it? Thus far, all the others have...

86 posted on 03/23/2002 4:09:36 AM PST by Dynamo
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To: boltfromblue
The Palestinians in Israel have a higher standard of living than do Arabs in Syria, Egypt and Jordan and any Arab nation without oil wealth. Please explain this since you consider them so oppressed. And how about the Pallies on the West Bank who live like crap despite a lot of self rule. How come Israeli Arabs also live better than them?

And Israeli Arabs most definitely have the vote and put Ehud Barak into office instead of Netanyahu a few years back. They gave Barak the margin of victory. They have a bunch of loudmouth representatives in the Knesset too. Israel is the most democratic nation in the MidEast.

87 posted on 03/23/2002 4:14:12 AM PST by dennisw
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To: boltfromblue
You leave out the fact that Jews always bought this land prior to 1948 (i.e. land was not seized) and after 1948 800,000 Jews were evicted from the Arab nations. Your thinking is as one sided as the Islamic propaganda is when all you see are Palestinian refugees. This is a flat out lie. There were even more Jewish refugees and the net worth of the property/land/bank accounts/ homes they were stripped of was higher than what the Palestinians lost.
88 posted on 03/23/2002 4:19:52 AM PST by dennisw
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To: rdb3
Well, at least Sobran has fellow travelers who have infested FR. And they are myriad.

If you had said, "Well, at least Sobran has those that agree with him who post on FR, and there are a lot of them", would that change any of the harmonics of your communication?

89 posted on 03/23/2002 4:36:18 AM PST by William Terrell
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To: William Terrell
In my mind, the way you rephrased my words is far too tame. No, I said it exactly the way I meant it.
90 posted on 03/23/2002 6:15:35 AM PST by rdb3
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To: dennisw
Dennis, I thought we covered the reasons Jews preferred to leave Arab states to go to Israel, but I know Rothschild and other Zionists paid for some kibbutz lands in Palestine, but not the whole land of these people who deserved a state to build financial and governmental freedom on.
91 posted on 03/23/2002 10:06:10 AM PST by boltfromblue
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To: rdb3
As fellow travelers' are those, often Jewish, that aligned with Communists, let's not smear honest independent thought expressed on FR as a group of Commies.
92 posted on 03/23/2002 10:12:12 AM PST by boltfromblue
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To: TopQuark
The Israeli claim to being a democracy only reveals their duplicity and hypocrisy. Arabs are much more straightforward and sincere, whether they claim the whole of Israel or not.
93 posted on 03/23/2002 10:18:54 AM PST by boltfromblue
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To: boltfromblue
What were those reasons? Now don't lie to me by contending that while Palestinians were driven out of Israel, 800,000 Jews were not driven out of Arab lands. I don't have time for such nonsense. Don't bother to reply if this is what you say happened.
94 posted on 03/23/2002 10:23:09 AM PST by dennisw
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To: ArcLight
Sobran, who--believe it or not--was once a witty and insightful writer--long ago
degenerated into a gibbering bigot.


This is very sad...Sobran used to at least seem fairly reasoned in his columns.

Well, once again our First Amendment triumphs.
When citizens have an inalienable right (or as close as an institution of humans can
afford) to freely speak their minds and hearts, it's as good as the "give 'em enough rope"
and they usually end up hanging themselves(figuratively) in the public square.
95 posted on 03/23/2002 10:33:32 AM PST by VOA
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To: boltfromblue
As fellow travelers' are those, often Jewish, that aligned with Communists, let's not smear honest independent thought expressed on FR as a group of Commies.

Show me, in the record, where I referred to anyone as a "communist" regarding Jews, Israel, or those who are anti-Israel.

Thank you.

96 posted on 03/23/2002 10:51:00 AM PST by rdb3
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To: rdb3
Feeble response, as you only tried to smear us with a word only applied to Communist sympathizers. It does deserve its uniquely applied meaning, but propagandists like you try to confuse its meaning in order to confuse people about who we are, relying on misapplied labels to distort people's true concerns and their dignity.
97 posted on 03/23/2002 7:12:48 PM PST by boltfromblue
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To: Burkeman1
Joe Sobran, friend of Islamic terrorists
98 posted on 03/23/2002 7:16:16 PM PST by a_witness
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To: boltfromblue
Feeble response, as you only tried to smear us with a word only applied to Communist sympathizers. It does deserve its uniquely applied meaning, but propagandists like you try to confuse its meaning in order to confuse people about who we are, relying on misapplied labels to distort people's true concerns and their dignity.

Now I get it! You're talking about the term "fellow travelers." Well, that term doesn't necessarily mean just communists.

At any rate, and honest to God above, it was not my intent to infer that those who are anti-Israel are "communists." That wasn't even on my mind.

"Propagandist(s)?" Wow! I only thought I was a software developing geek.

Propagandist. Interesting. First time I've ever had that said about me.

99 posted on 03/23/2002 8:19:57 PM PST by rdb3
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To: xm177e2
Maybe you can help me with something. What should Israel do to end the terrorism against it?

This is a question that deserves an answer as it is truly at the heart of the matter. I've come up with a couple solutions after asking myself the same thing a few times. It is sickening to see the news accounts of innocents blown to pieces by martyrs.

Solution 1. Build a wall and throw everyone out who doesn't have your best interests at heart. These interest might include a respect for life, for youth, and a committment toward living in peace. Say good-bye to those that don't pass the smell test and close the gates.

Solution 2. Disavow any connections to any superpowers. Put on your desert camo, head out at night and kill every living thing within a hundred mile radius of your border.

Solution 3. Along with a Palestinian state, petition the U.S. for acceptance into statehood- to be 'ruled' by our set of laws based upon our Constituion and Bill of Rights, relinquishing any claims of national sovereignty. This method is the least bloody and would provide the best guarantee of stopping terrorism. Rights and priviledges would be bestowed to all and this should, in and of itself, end the suicidal attacks and utter disrespect for human life that is taking place today.

What's absent in the 'territory' is a "Great White Chief", someone both parties may look to for a fair resolution of their disputes. Forget the U.N., their track record stinks and they were not founded by men who lived under tyranny and opted for, and thereby designed a system of, government placing individual liberties above all else.

Solution 4. Not much of a solution, just a very loud bang, forget-about-it.

100 posted on 03/23/2002 9:50:00 PM PST by budwiesest
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