Killing Gentiles

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[BlackVeil]

Your wrote: "various religions ... Islam is the one other than Judaism that I could deal with ... " Your view is entirely reasonable, for there is no cultural or theological reason for any clash between these two religions. The only reason is politics, and it changes all the time, and will change again. I bet that Muslim student was very glad to get an invite to your table. I have noticed that even the most uptight and politicised Muslims are in a way relaxed when they socialise in a Jewish millieu. They know that the food is "clean", and that they won't get ridiculed for following the customs of washing etc.

[wardaddy]

You need to read up on the Koran and Sharia. Oriental Jews and Arabs Muslims may look a bit alike and eat similar foods but the instructions are quite clear in the aforementioned books about Infidels. Look it up. FR has had reams of threads on this very subject.

[Governor StrangeReno]

obviously freebasing whilst reading Elders of the protocol of Zion,what level of horror is necessary before idiots like this man and the State Department realise who the bad guys are,

[rmlew]

Your wrote: "various religions ... Islam is the one other than Judaism that I could deal with ... " Your view is entirely reasonable, for there is no cultural or theological reason for any clash between these two religions. The only reason is politics, and it changes all the time, and will change again.

The expansionist nature of Islam creates troubles. The Jews of Arabia tried to co-exist with Mohammed when he was leading a small sect. A few years later, he slaughtered the men and raped the women of the Jewish communities.
Many Muslims have theologic problems with Jews having Israel as they also have a replacement theology.

. I bet that Muslim student was very glad to get an invite to your table. I have noticed that even the most uptight and politicised Muslims are in a way relaxed when they socialise in a Jewish millieu. They know that the food is "clean", and that they won't get ridiculed for following the customs of washing etc.
1. Mo was not particularly religious and did not practice Halal.
2. My family is not observent, but we do keep some Kosher food.
I just try to treat all people with respect.

[boltfromblue]

Quite true, the Palestinians welcomed their liberation from the Turks, but only until they found out what the British really had in store for them, in true Machiavellian, self-interested fashion, a selling out of their land for Rothschild gold.
As to rights of Palis in Israel, they include the 'right' not to own land, the 'right' not to have bank accounts, the 'right' not to receive money, the 'right' not to have their own sacred burial grounds, and a 'right' to have LIMITED representation in the Knesset.

[Dynamo]

What an ass. Sobran just lost my respect.

Someone should inform him that in Revelation [the last book in the Bible] we are told about what will happen to Israel, and to all the remaining major world powers at that time. Russia and China attack Israel, and the entire world [what's left of it, anyway] approves of and goes along with the action.

Russia and China are mentioned. Israel is mentioned. America is not mentioned. In other words, we get dusted first, then the rest of the world powers...,

...and Israel is unharmed. It'll sure be easy to see if the last great prophecy in the Bible comes true, won't it? Thus far, all the others have...

[dennisw]

The Palestinians in Israel have a higher standard of living than do Arabs in Syria, Egypt and Jordan and any Arab nation without oil wealth. Please explain this since you consider them so oppressed. And how about the Pallies on the West Bank who live like crap despite a lot of self rule. How come Israeli Arabs also live better than them?

And Israeli Arabs most definitely have the vote and put Ehud Barak into office instead of Netanyahu a few years back. They gave Barak the margin of victory. They have a bunch of loudmouth representatives in the Knesset too. Israel is the most democratic nation in the MidEast.

[dennisw]

You leave out the fact that Jews always bought this land prior to 1948 (i.e. land was not seized) and after 1948 800,000 Jews were evicted from the Arab nations. Your thinking is as one sided as the Islamic propaganda is when all you see are Palestinian refugees. This is a flat out lie. There were even more Jewish refugees and the net worth of the property/land/bank accounts/ homes they were stripped of was higher than what the Palestinians lost.

[William Terrell]

Well, at least Sobran has fellow travelers who have infested FR. And they are myriad.

If you had said, "Well, at least Sobran has those that agree with him who post on FR, and there are a lot of them", would that change any of the harmonics of your communication?

[rdb3]

In my mind, the way you rephrased my words is far too tame. No, I said it exactly the way I meant it.

[boltfromblue]

Dennis, I thought we covered the reasons Jews preferred to leave Arab states to go to Israel, but I know Rothschild and other Zionists paid for some kibbutz lands in Palestine, but not the whole land of these people who deserved a state to build financial and governmental freedom on.

[boltfromblue]

As fellow travelers' are those, often Jewish, that aligned with Communists, let's not smear honest independent thought expressed on FR as a group of Commies.

[boltfromblue]

The Israeli claim to being a democracy only reveals their duplicity and hypocrisy. Arabs are much more straightforward and sincere, whether they claim the whole of Israel or not.

[dennisw]

What were those reasons? Now don't lie to me by contending that while Palestinians were driven out of Israel, 800,000 Jews were not driven out of Arab lands. I don't have time for such nonsense. Don't bother to reply if this is what you say happened.

[VOA]

Sobran, who--believe it or not--was once a witty and insightful writer--long ago
degenerated into a gibbering bigot.

This is very sad...Sobran used to at least seem fairly reasoned in his columns.

Well, once again our First Amendment triumphs.
When citizens have an inalienable right (or as close as an institution of humans can
afford) to freely speak their minds and hearts, it's as good as the "give 'em enough rope"
and they usually end up hanging themselves(figuratively) in the public square.

[rdb3]

As fellow travelers' are those, often Jewish, that aligned with Communists, let's not smear honest independent thought expressed on FR as a group of Commies.

Show me, in the record, where I referred to anyone as a "communist" regarding Jews, Israel, or those who are anti-Israel.

Thank you.

[boltfromblue]

Feeble response, as you only tried to smear us with a word only applied to Communist sympathizers. It does deserve its uniquely applied meaning, but propagandists like you try to confuse its meaning in order to confuse people about who we are, relying on misapplied labels to distort people's true concerns and their dignity.

[a_witness]

Joe Sobran, friend of Islamic terrorists

[rdb3]

Feeble response, as you only tried to smear us with a word only applied to Communist sympathizers. It does deserve its uniquely applied meaning, but propagandists like you try to confuse its meaning in order to confuse people about who we are, relying on misapplied labels to distort people's true concerns and their dignity.

Now I get it! You're talking about the term "fellow travelers." Well, that term doesn't necessarily mean just communists.

At any rate, and honest to God above, it was not my intent to infer that those who are anti-Israel are "communists." That wasn't even on my mind.

"Propagandist(s)?" Wow! I only thought I was a software developing geek.

Propagandist. Interesting. First time I've ever had that said about me.

[budwiesest]

Maybe you can help me with something. What should Israel do to end the terrorism against it?

This is a question that deserves an answer as it is truly at the heart of the matter. I've come up with a couple solutions after asking myself the same thing a few times. It is sickening to see the news accounts of innocents blown to pieces by martyrs.

Solution 1. Build a wall and throw everyone out who doesn't have your best interests at heart. These interest might include a respect for life, for youth, and a committment toward living in peace. Say good-bye to those that don't pass the smell test and close the gates.

Solution 2. Disavow any connections to any superpowers. Put on your desert camo, head out at night and kill every living thing within a hundred mile radius of your border.

Solution 3. Along with a Palestinian state, petition the U.S. for acceptance into statehood- to be 'ruled' by our set of laws based upon our Constituion and Bill of Rights, relinquishing any claims of national sovereignty. This method is the least bloody and would provide the best guarantee of stopping terrorism. Rights and priviledges would be bestowed to all and this should, in and of itself, end the suicidal attacks and utter disrespect for human life that is taking place today.

What's absent in the 'territory' is a "Great White Chief", someone both parties may look to for a fair resolution of their disputes. Forget the U.N., their track record stinks and they were not founded by men who lived under tyranny and opted for, and thereby designed a system of, government placing individual liberties above all else.

Solution 4. Not much of a solution, just a very loud bang, forget-about-it.