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Killing Gentiles
Joe's mind ^ | This month | Joe Sobran

Posted on 03/20/2002 7:30:42 PM PST by Burkeman1

March 12, 2002 Ariel Sharon has finally gone too far. Israel’s thuggish prime minister thought he could crush the Palestinian revolt with a policy of violence, killing Palestinians until they begged for mercy. But the policy has backfired by getting lots of Jews killed too, and the violence on both sides is escalating dangerously. Even Sharon’s indulgent American patrons, George W. Bush and Colin Powell, have called for a halt to the madness.

Sharon is acting according to his lights. He has never concealed his contempt for “the goy” — the gentile. Israel is based on the principle that Jews have rights “goyim” don’t have. Hence its abuse of Arab gentiles and its defiance of Western gentiles.

Mark Weber of the Institute for Historical Review has summed up the situation in one pithy sentence: “The truth is that if we held Israel to the same standards that we apply to Serbia, Afghanistan, and Iraq, U.S. bombers and missiles would be blasting Tel Aviv, and we’d be putting Israeli prime minister Sharon behind bars for war crimes and crimes against humanity.”

Unless I’ve missed something, even such alleged “anti-Semites” as David Duke and Louis Farrakhan don’t advocate treating Jews as Israel treats gentiles. Anyone with a spark of decency would be ashamed to treat Jews that way. Yet a gentile can be accused of anti-Semitism even for the purely verbal sin of criticizing Israel, whereas a Jew who supports Sharon’s physical cruelty is accused of ... well, nothing. We have no handy word for even the most brutal Jewish treatment of gentiles.

To challenge the Jews’ right to oppress Palestinians is called “denying Israel’s right to exist.” Apparently its “right to exist” includes the right to oppress, and is indeed inseparable from it. Even the “peace plans” that call for separate Jewish and Palestinian states seem to take for granted the right of the Jewish state to treat Arabs within its borders as inferiors.

Perish the thought that Jews and gentiles should be equal! That would be anti-Semitism.

According to Israel’s “amen corner” in this country, Israel can do no wrong, except to concede too much to the Palestinians. Israel is a heroic “democracy” even when it treats its minority like dirt, and a “reliable ally” of the United States even when it steals American military secrets and sells them to Communist countries.

It’s an article of faith among the Amen Corner that the Israeli spy Jonathan Pollard — a national hero in Israel, by the way — has been punished far too harshly for his crimes, since the United States should have shared those secrets with Israel anyway. And far from recoiling from Sharon’s brutality, the Amen Corner defends him at every turn, just as Stalin’s fellow travelers in this country used to justify Uncle Joe — except that some in the Amen Corner think Sharon isn’t going far enough.

Not all the members of the Amen Corner are Jewish. Many are Christians — a shameful fact, since they never raise their voices in defense of Palestinian Christians. “See how these Christians love one another!” This kind of loyalty might make Judas Iscariot queasy.

The obvious danger is that the United States will once more be drawn into war with Israel’s enemies, chiefly Iraq. If that happens, we probably won’t be as lucky as in the 1991 Gulf War, which ended with an easy American victory and little cost until last September 11. This time the whole Middle East could erupt in war and revolution, leaving us with countless millions of bitter enemies on top of those we already have. It will be a boon to al-Qaeda recruitment.

The U.S. Government is toying with the possibility of using nuclear weapons in the war ahead — the war that the “war on terrorism” may morph into. We can be sure that the fanatical Sharon won’t object, and some of his American apologists are sounding rather interested in the idea of nuking Arabs. If the United States does it, Israel won’t have to.

We can only hope that Bush, Powell, and the rest of the top echelon of the government — which may or may not include Congress these days — will come to their senses before they decide to strike Iraq. U.S. support for Israel has already cost us far too much, and it may yet cost us far more. Ariel Sharon leaves no excuse for blindness about what we are dealing with.

Joseph Sobran

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From a Paleo conservative who defended this frig before I apologize. I am sorry I defended him against charges of anti semitism. IT now seems clear that he is an anti semite.

Do Islamic Arabs in Isreal have more rights and freedom and live a better life than those under Arafat? Yes, of course they do!

Indeed- Palestinians are treated like dirt in the rest of the Arab world. Sobran must know this. Indeed he does. He is a Jew Hater. Not an "anti semite". That is too general. Sobran Hates Jews. He hates Isreal. It was once a professional matter for him but it is now personal. He hates Isreal out of personal motive. What a sad man.

1 posted on 03/20/2002 7:30:42 PM PST by Burkeman1
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It's also a bit revealing that he refers to Christians in the same derogatory manner as he refers to Jews. I just don't see the people carrying suicide bombs from Palestine into Israel as being either Jew or devout Christian. So I really don't wonder too much whether this fellow is friend or foe.
2 posted on 03/20/2002 7:37:00 PM PST by Cvengr
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To: Burkeman1
Many on that blown-apart bus yesterday were Arab Israelis -- I'd certainly call that "brutal treatment of gentiles" -- by other gentiles.
3 posted on 03/20/2002 7:38:54 PM PST by browardchad
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Sobran makes no distinction between the Isreali civlians- men women and children killed by suicide bombers and those palestinians killed in action by the military of Isreal. He is a sick man.
4 posted on 03/20/2002 7:42:00 PM PST by Burkeman1
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I wouldn't regard myself as a conspiracy theorist but something tells me the Arabs and some others have been paying Sobran and his ilk for this swill.
5 posted on 03/20/2002 7:45:46 PM PST by HockeyPop
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To: Burkeman1
I am a white christian male of scandinavian descent that does not go to church. I am 100% pro israel. As far as I am concerned, israel should include suez and lebanon. Any concessions to arafat or the palistinians absolutely disgust me, as does the european favoritism of arafat. Arafat is not legitimate, he should not be talking to any american polititian, ever. No american should recognize him as anything other than a thug and a criminal. The situation is very frustrating to me. Maybe a showdown would fix it, I just don't know.
6 posted on 03/20/2002 7:46:11 PM PST by mamelukesabre
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To: Burkeman1
Sobran is about as sharp as a marble. I'd have more respect for guys like Sobran and Buchanan if they'd just admit they didn't like Jews.
8 posted on 03/20/2002 7:50:53 PM PST by Holden Magroin
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To: Blade
I agree with every word.
9 posted on 03/20/2002 7:51:41 PM PST by Blade
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To: Burkeman1
Sobran is referring to the Institute for Historical Review (ihr.org), a holocaust "revisionist" (read "denial") site, founded by Willis Carto, an open antisemite, and former owner of Spotlight magazine.

Thank you for finally seeing the light.

10 posted on 03/20/2002 7:52:00 PM PST by Catspaw
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To: Burkeman1
Sobran makes no distinction between the Isreali civlians- men women and children killed by suicide bombers and those palestinians killed in action by the military of Isreal.

What non-sense. He wrote or implied or such thing.

11 posted on 03/20/2002 7:54:37 PM PST by Blade
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I have no evidence that even one suicide bomber was of Christian extraction, much less a practicing Christian. Certainly Christianity forbids both suicide and murder, and combining both would be a terrible sin-- whoever did it would enter hell immediately.

It is ISLAM that says these terrorists are "martyrs" who will be REWARDED by Allah.

YHWH would never do anything like that.

I think that Muslims are what are called "pehre adam" in Hebrew, that is, just in human form, but soulless, what Paul called "vessels of wrath."

I have never heard a Jew suggest that Christians were in that category, and it does seem that what few Christians remain in the territories controlled by Israel, are usually not hit by IDF fire, though that might be because (a) they did nothing to provoke it; (b) were smart enough to stay indoors and pray; (c) the IDF boys (sharp as razors and fun to talk to) seem to view Christianity as a field for endless jokes about nuns and brothers, etc...but Muslims, well...one bullet for each, waste of ammo, nothing much to talk about though...

13 posted on 03/20/2002 7:57:11 PM PST by crystalk
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Really?

March 12, 2002 Ariel Sharon has finally gone too far. Israel’s thuggish prime minister thought he could crush the Palestinian revolt with a policy of violence, killing Palestinians until they begged for mercy.

Is that Sobran? When did they "beg for mercy"?

Perish the thought that Jews and gentiles should be equal! That would be anti-Semitism

And where in Sobran's mind are Jews and Christians living the life of Reilly in one Arab or Islamic land? Again- there are hundreds of Mosques in Isreal. How many Christian Churches or Synagouges are there in Arab lands? What is your real name?

14 posted on 03/20/2002 8:01:05 PM PST by Burkeman1
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Buchanan?? !!! Needs some explanation as to his involvement. Similar justification is needed for another "non church going Christian" stating Lebanon, whose Christians allied with Israel, should be over run. Seems a little distortion and anti Christian sentiment is CREEPing into the discussion. Bigotry, lack of a fair and moral view, and stupidity will not solve the matter and will lead the world down the wrong path.
15 posted on 03/20/2002 8:07:03 PM PST by Henchman
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To: Burkeman1
And where in Sobran's mind are Jews and Christians living the life of Reilly in one Arab or Islamic land? Again- there are hundreds of Mosques in Isreal. How many Christian Churches or Synagouges are there in Arab lands?

Irrelevant. No Islamic state claims to respect democracy, freedom and rights. Israel, on the other hand, claims to be a democracy that respects freedom and rights, yet Jews enjoy rights and legal protections that are not afforded to Arabs and Christians.

What is your real name?

Ask me that again AFTER you post your real name. Fair?

16 posted on 03/20/2002 8:09:29 PM PST by Blade
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To: Burkeman1
Israel is based on the principle that Jews have rights “goyim” don’t have.

No more so than Japan is a country based on the principle that the Japanese have rights "Gaijin" don't have. But who cares?

alleged “anti-Semites” as David Duke and Louis Farrakhan

Sobran has really gone off the deep end this time... they all slip up eventually...

17 posted on 03/20/2002 8:12:59 PM PST by xm177e2
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And everyone that criticizes Israel and Jews is an "anti-semite" or a "terrorist," right?

You're proving Sobran right, and you don't even realize it.

18 posted on 03/20/2002 8:13:28 PM PST by Blade
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To: Catspaw
Thank you for finally seeing the light.

Well let's be fair, I've never seen anything this extreme from Sobran before.

19 posted on 03/20/2002 8:15:25 PM PST by xm177e2
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To: Blade
everyone that criticizes Israel and Jews is an "anti-semite" or a "terrorist," right?

Maybe you can help me with something. What should Israel do to end the terrorism against it?

20 posted on 03/20/2002 8:16:06 PM PST by xm177e2
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