Posted on 03/19/2002 1:49:07 AM PST by Sabertooth
"But the Wall Street Journal said..."
"But it's not a BLANKET AMNESTY..."
"Bush is a genius, because..."
Sorry, enough of all that. Go read the legislation.
LOL, sounds like a job for a BYRD BRAIN.
Yep, the Byrd who voted against Impeachment, was a memeber of the KKK. That Byrd.
And it's not, it was directed at about 200,000 people to reunite families, but you go ahead and blather on what you think it is. But that does not matter your hero in a pointy white sheet and anti-impeachment, Robert Byrd has come to your rescue.
BTW, he is also holding up needed changes and reforms in border security.
I also wonder if your new hero(grand wizard Byrd) will support the Attorney General having the right to fire anybody in the INS for incompetance. Currently he can't, because of people like Byrd.
I couldn't get the link for HR 1885 to work. Good work on all the actual language, I'm going to find 1885 and read it entirely, even though the hero du jour, BYRD, has seemed to make all the fussin' & fightin' moot.
You know I've never said it's a blanket amnesty, all of your straw man arguments nothwithstanding.
But it appears you're finally getting close to admitting that it's a mini-Amnesty for those 200,000. That's encouraging.
BTW, where have I ever said Robert Byrd was my hero?
BTW, he is also holding up needed changes and reforms in border security.
Perhaps Bush shouldn't have tried to use Homeland Secuirity as a Trojan Horse for his 245(i) Amnesty.Rather underhanded politics, when you consider that the 245(i) mods are now too controversial to pass on their own.
I also wonder if your new hero(grand wizard Byrd) will support the Attorney General having the right to fire anybody in the INS for incompetance. Currently he can't, because
Interesting Guilt by (False) Association fallacy, Dane.
I've not said a word about Senator Byrd.
As for Federal Employees, I'd lve to see their Unions broken so that they could be fired at will.
Sorry about that... Try going HERE.
Enter HR 1885 in the bill number search field, and click search. Then click on option #1. On the next page you'll see an outline for the entire 1885 legislation. For the 245(i) mods, scroll down to Sec. 607 at the bottom, and click.
Well you are getting close to saying that this is not a blanket amnesty and is actually for people who want to keep families together. That is what this really about.
200,000 people mostly by not fault of their own became illegal, such as entering on a valid visa getting married and the beauacracy makes them illegal because their visa ran out.
But knowing you, you will automatically think that the all of these people didn't get married for love but had other ulterior motives.
That is who this bill was trying to help.
So it's "for the families" eh? And there are on "200,000 people"?
I don't know where you get this information, but it is flatly wrong in the former, and dubious in the latter.
The legislation clearly states that if you can establish that you had a family relationship (e.g., marriage or anchor children) before August 2001, you are eligible, assuming a resident immigrant or citizen will sponsor you. But if you can find any citizen or resident immigrant who will simply assert that you were working for them prior to August 2001, and will sponsor you, then you also are eligible.
So obviously there is a non-family component to this amnesty which is quite huge, and you are clearly wrong on the facts. It is directed at employees as well as "families."
Your second assertion that the aggregate numbers are only 200,000 is based on precisely nothing, a wild guess pulled right out of thin air. I say the actual eligibility numbers are 10 percent of the illegal alien population, so it's more like 800,000 to 1.2 million.
Find a way to dispute those numbers. You sure won't get them from any reputable source on the illegal alien population.
200,000 people mostly by not fault of their own became illegal, such as entering on a valid visa getting married and the beauacracy makes them illegal because their visa ran out.
Actually, Dane, I've always said that this isn't a blanket amnesty. Several times to you in the past few days.
Your comments about why those 200,000 are Illegal are incorrect. Go read the legislation and INS explanaitions of 245(i) above. That's why I posted them for you, so that you'd no longer have an excuse for believing and spreading false information.
As you have carefully gleaned from the official sources, this is amnesty.
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