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To: innocentbystander
What I'm "missing" is how you think this adds up. Like it or not, Bush has peeved and alienated a significant portion of his base. I suppose you dismiss that by saying those people have nowhere else to go and are a little crazy anyway, but isn't it possible whatever Hispanic votes he may pick up by this alleged maneuver (assuming they'll go to Bush over this, has pandering ever helped get them or the black vote before?) will be offset by votes he'll lose?
43 posted on 03/18/2002 10:20:35 PM PST by over3Owithabrain
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To: over3Owithabrain
Like it or not, Bush has peeved and alienated a significant portion of his base.

What I find amazing is the only place I have found peeved voters are on FR, I believe they're called "single-issue voters", and if it is true that this vote will be delayed and quite possibly altered in some way, then I'd say the big deal was made for nothing, or it caused the dems to get in line with what is best for America and not their liberal agenda. I can't say it enough, they do have the illegimate authority to bring to the floor or not bring to the floor the daily Senate's business.

Speaking as a black voter, I wasn't pandered too. I actually researched for myself what each party stood for and made my own decision to be affiliated with the Republican party. Despite the stereotypes many of us do actually study for ourselves and choose what's best for our families.

81 posted on 03/18/2002 10:55:21 PM PST by swheats
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To: over3Owithabrain
As Governor of Texas, Bush drew close to half of the Hispanic vote there, essentially taking that voting block out of play for the Democrats. In 2000, as I recall, he got about 35% of the Hispanic vote nationwide.

In 2004, as the successful leader of a nation at war, and as an apparent friend of Mexican President Vincente Fox, Bush's percentage of the Hispanic vote should go up, nationally. The "amnesty" provisions in the House version of the immigration bill are not the be-all and end-all of this equation, but just a small part of it.

While I thoroughly agree with those who say, if we're somehow allied with Senator Byrd that something's wrong, I think Byrd's opposition will cause this "amnesty" to be tightened down from the 20% deal that the House passed to maybe a 10% deal.

In the real world, that's okay. We are simply not going to round up and deport all illegal Mexicans in the US. Looked at in purely selfish terms, too many American businesses and farms would fail due to losses of their lowest paid employees -- even here in the mountains of North Carolina -- for that result to be tolerable.

By the way, your equating of the black vote and the Hispanic vote is entirely misplaced. Blacks vote as a block; Hispanics don't. The best Bush can possibly get in 2004 is about 15% of the black vote. But that's okay. Every 1% of the black vote that Bush gets above 10% slices 1% off the margin for any Democratic candidate.

If Bush gets 40% of the Hispanic vote and 15% of the black vote, ANY Democrat in 2004 is dead meat, road kill, yesterday's news, an asterisk in the history books. I think Hiilary! knows that, which is why she'll sit on the sidelines and watch Al Gore auger in and burn, again.

Being an effective President doesn't mean doing everything perfectly in the views of your core supporters (if that were even possible, given the disagreements of various groups). It means picking up the cards you're dealt and playing them better than most.

In war terms, it means winning most battles and losing few soldiers. It does not mean winning evry battle and losing no soldiers. In civilian terms, it means getting most of what you want through Congress, and preventing most of what you don't want. It does not mean getting all that you want through Congress, and preventing all that you don't want.

So far, I give Bush a B+, which is a far cry better than Clinton, who earned something lower than an F, but there isn't any lower grade.

As an earlier poster mentioned, this is chess, not checkers. You only win by concentrating on the 8th or 12th move ahead, not just the 2nd or 3rd one. Bush has grown into the Presidency, which I discuss in my column this week. I'm sure that part of his preparation to get results is the chess strategy of Carl Rove, behind the scenes.

Congressman Billybob

New column" "The Truman Factor."

224 posted on 03/19/2002 5:03:39 AM PST by Congressman Billybob
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To: over3Owithabrain
"Bush has peeved and alienated a significant portion of his base." of which I count myself a part of. As much as I loved Bush after September 11, I can't even stand to look at him now. He is as phoney as Clinton ever hoped to be. We had amnesty in 1986 with a promise to tighten our borders. Look what a mess we have now, and Bush is trying to make it worse.
301 posted on 03/19/2002 10:24:45 AM PST by afz400
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To: over3Owithabrain
President Bush to the Demoncrats: "All your base are belong to us!" Smart move Mr. President!
315 posted on 03/19/2002 4:01:35 PM PST by StacyMac
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