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The Scout, the suspect and the SWAT team Shooting:
Baltimore Sun ^
| 18 March 2002
| Gail Gibson, Michael James and Laura Barnhardt
Posted on 03/18/2002 3:06:32 AM PST by Lloyd227
Edited on 09/03/2002 4:50:07 AM PDT by Jim Robinson.
[history]
On March 1, FBI agents had a clear plan to catch a man wanted in a bank robbery. What unfolded was a remarkable series of mix-ups with a near-fatal outcome.
The order from an FBI commander to a SWAT team waiting outside a Glen Burnie 7-Eleven was simple and direct.
"Follow the red car."
To FBI Special Agent Christopher Braga, it signaled that the man inside the car, the one wearing the white baseball cap, was the bank robbery suspect agents had been tracking. Braga, with other members of the elite FBI team, moved in to make the arrest.
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TOPICS: Crime/Corruption; Government; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: copernicus5; donutwatch; enforcement; fbi; government; swat
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To: Lloyd227
"'I've messed up my life with drugs,'" one officer recounted Blottenberger saying in a police squad car.You messed up your life with criminal acts you liberal twit. The
drugs didn't make you
do anything! You CHOSE in your heart and in your mind to commit the criminal acts that you did. You could have gotten all of the drugs you wanted without committing any crimes to get money.
You aren't a "druggie", you're a THIEF and a ROBBER!
Big difference...HUGE!I call you a "liberal" twit because you believe an inanimate object "caused" you to do something or caused the problems in your life.
Your actions messed up your life, not the drugs you were taking.
Fire at will...I've got the asbestos drawers all ready!
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To: D Joyce
Wasn't it one of the Rothschilds who said, and I'm paraphrasing here: give me control of a nation's currency and then I'll care not who makes the laws.
Regards to you, D. Joyce.
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posted on
03/26/2002 6:34:24 AM PST
by
Dukie
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To: bvw
I have read some of the postings regarding this story. What are any of you going to do? I trust the government about as far as I can throw an elephant. Do any of you remember the case of David Farrall? He was the agent that killed two young men in an automobile accident in Florida back in 1999. This guy had been drinking and was headed down the wrong way on I-95. I'm sure you all know that to drive the wrong way on a major interstate you must be pretty far gone. Once the cops arrived on the scene they assumed it was the fault of the two men that died. Some of the FBI agents stood guard outside this guys hospital room preventing local cops from interviewing him. Look at what happened in Waco, they could have taken that dude at any time but waited until he was back at their ranch. Our government likes to tell other governments how to treat their citizens but here in our own country people are shot by mistake and no one is held accountable. This will be swept under the rug like everything else and we will all go on with our lives. I like to call it the zebra effect. I don't really care if a lion is chasing you as long as he leaves me alone.
To: mikescbrf4i
Good metaphor, don't count on help from congress either, they are part of the problem. They may put on a "show investigation" once in awhile, but they couldn't care less, they just keep giving them more money.
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posted on
03/26/2002 7:02:48 PM PST
by
Howie
To: Howie
Anyone out there heard anything at all on this story? I haven't seen any mention of this in about a week.
Is the fix in already and the story is over?
To: Lloyd227, Travis Mcgee
It's business as usual, Amigo, the Gestapo screws up, the press shuts up. If a CITIZEN makes a mistake with a firearm, the media plaster it all over the news for weeks!
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posted on
04/02/2002 4:42:54 AM PST
by
Howie
To: Howie
Bump
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posted on
04/21/2002 9:08:58 AM PDT
by
Howie
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To: DGallandro
I am a MARINE and his RIFLE.
You are a nutbar with a rifle.
To: Howie; B Knotts; Lloyd227
Or, have we all forgotten about stories like this?
... the Gestapo screws up, the press shuts up. Posted on 03/18/2002 7:06 AM Eastern by Lloyd227
Edited on 09/03/2002 7:50 AM Eastern by Jim Robinson. [history]
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Thus the story is buried, and FR becomes useless.
To: brityank
and so it goes... looks like, once again, one of the dirty LEOs goes free and the story is forgotten to all but the few individuals directly involved.
Anyone here care to bet that Mr. Braga is armed and out on a case even as I sit here typing?
We all know that the types like Christopher Braga are the minority and that they're giving the rest of the good, honest and sincere LEOs a bad name.
The good cops on the beat have to clean their own house if they want any respect but it looks as though this case is just another that's been swept aside in the name of getting back to business.
I know that with the beltway sniper in the news, it's tempting to hire and train more Chris Bragas to send after whomever has visited this terror on the Maryland/Virgina/DC area.
Just remember that if we turn America into a police state in the name of our own security, then there's nothing left for the Bin Laden's in the world to attack because we'll have done it to ourselves.
To: Travis McGee
The shooting involvoing Mr. Shultz and Agent Braga was an unfortunate tragic
Your reply is steeped in the paranoia that seems to affect many who post here. I know two individuals who are assigned to an ATF SRT. They are experienced street agents who spent a number of years on the steets of Baltimore investigating CRIMINALS who ILLEGALLY possessed firearms.....many of whom were career criminals with multiple violent felony convictions (read rape, armed robbery, attempted murder etc.) BEFORE becoming SRT members. One joined the ATF after college, the other after college and five years as a local police officer in another city. No military background.
You state you were in Naval Special Warfare and that ALL of those members of ATF SRT's have specops background. Bull. It's broad sweeping unjustified generalizations like this that serve only provide grist for a paranoid rumor mill.
Do your research Mr. McGee. It's easy to hide behind a keyboard.
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posted on
01/03/2003 7:20:11 PM PST
by
OTA
To: Travis McGee
The shooting involvoing Mr. Shultz and Agent Braga was an unfortunate tragic event, I'm certain that Braga isn't a trained killer with a dearth of targets.
Your reply is steeped in the paranoia that seems to affect many who post here. I know two individuals who are assigned to an ATF SRT. They are experienced street agents who spent a number of years on the steets of Baltimore investigating CRIMINALS who ILLEGALLY possessed firearms.....many of whom were career criminals with multiple violent felony convictions (read rape, armed robbery, attempted murder etc.) BEFORE becoming SRT members. One joined the ATF after college, the other after college and five years as a local police officer in another city. No military background.
You state you were in Naval Special Warfare and that ALL of those members of ATF SRT's have specops background. Bull. It's broad sweeping unjustified generalizations like this that serve only provide grist for a paranoid rumor mill.
Do your research Mr. McGee. It's easy to hide behind a keyboard.
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posted on
01/03/2003 7:24:29 PM PST
by
OTA
To: OTA
Slow day at the office?
If the fbi and the atf were not a bunch of bloodthirsty cold blooded murders. If the fbi and atf did not get their rocks off shooting helpless people, they would have prosecuted the agents that murdered Randy Weaver's wife and son and the agent that willfully and deliberately shot the kid then handcuffed him and hoped he would bleed to death.
The only difference between fbi and atf agents and the Gestappo agents of Socialist Germany is time. The mindset of all three are the same.
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posted on
01/03/2003 7:47:58 PM PST
by
sport
To: OTA; harpseal; Joe Brower; Noumenon; Blood of Tyrants
Oh yeah, the ATF SRTs are real tough guys. They are great at slamming pregnant women against walls and causing miscarriages, and shooting dogs and stomping cats to death in front of screaming children for their jollies. All that and more we can walk you through the cases if you wish.
Sure, they could go after gang bangers, but hey, they hide and shoot back. Much easier to cull the records for ancient misdemeanors, and then crash in at 3 AM. Big heros.
To: Lloyd227; harpseal
Lon Horiuchi . Thanks for the rest of the names harpseal . I'll be doing some reading this weekend for certain .
To: brityank
Same page I pulled up . I'm sure it is somewhere though & should be easy enough for me to read this weekend .
To: OTA
Perhaps you would like to invite the 2 friends you claim to have to this site then ? Seems simple enough to do . If they are what you claim then I wont have to hold there hand .
Mr. OTA ? Where on this thread did you read that Mr. Mcgee was in NSW ? Oh .. You are correct about that keyboard shot you tried to take wich is why I'd like to write to them .
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