Iraq-Al Qaeda Bombshell: Mag Documents New Links

NewsMax.com ^ | March 17, 2002 | Carl Limbacher

[Carl/NewsMax]

A report set to hit newsstands Monday documenting ties between Iraq's Mukhabarat intelligence service and Osama bin Laden's al Qaeda terrorist organization is being called "a blockbuster" by former CIA Director James Woolsey.

The New Yorker magazine report details cooperation between al Qaeda agents in Northern Iraq and intelligence operatives working for Saddam Hussein, Woolsey told CNN's "Late Edition," including:

*Details of the ten-year-long working relationship between al Qaeda and Mukhabarat agents in attacks on the Kurdish minority.

*Evidence that the Mukhabarat smuggled weapons into Afghanistan to help al Qaeda forces.

*Accounts of al Qaeda refugees being brought into Iraq.

The New Yorker report also quotes Kurdish sources as saying the CIA had no interest the Mukhabarat-al Qaeda links, prompting this reaction from ex-Director Woolsey:

"The CIA has over recent years not been real enthusiastic about the Iraqi resistance and I think that's a shame. If they got beat on this story by the New Yorker and (its reporter) Jeff Goldberg, three cheers for the fourth estate."

"In think (the New Yorker) piece is a blockbuster," added Woolsey.

[a_Turk]

The answer is as I stated already: Keeping with God's commandments makes one a Muslim - automatically.

That is absolutely ridiculous.

First of all, Abraham was pre-law, meaning he had no law or commandments to obey. Hebrews 11 tells us that he was justified before God by his faith, not by any law.

As Jesus had to explain to those wise guys who did not get it: God's commandments boil down to two. Love God and love your neighbor. Moses had to break it down, but Abraham kept with this basic law, which was known to Noah, Abraham, David, Jacob, Joseph, you name it.

Moses had a set of commandments, but they aren't used verbatim by the Muslims. One major point is that that the Jews were told to remember the Sabbath and keep it holy. The Jews uses Saturday as their Sabbath. Tell us what day the Muslims use, and do they call it the Shabbat?

Muslims use Friday, and it's called Juma. Who cares what the day was? Giving yourself, your workers, and your animals a day off, and taking the opportunity to meditate is what it's about. Another way to love God and your neighbor.

Why don't you tell me which commandment of Moses is not followed by the Muslims?

[AlGone2001]

Christianity is taught?

4/ Women - N-Nisa
157. That they said in (boast), "We killed Christ Jesus the son of Mary, the Apostle of Allah" -but they killed him not, nor crucified him, but so it was made to appear to them, and those who differ therein are full of doubts, with no (certain) knowledge, but only conjecture to follow, for of a surety they killed him not:-
158. Nay, Allah raised him up unto Himself; ...
159. And there is none of the People of the Book but must believe in him before his death;

[AlGone2001]

But look-

Another verse says He will die?

Which one, pray tell, is correct?

19/ Mary - Maryam
33. "So Peace is on me the day I was born, the day that I die and the day that I shall be raised up to life (again)!"
34. Such (was) Jesus the son of Mary: (it is) a statement of truth, about which they (vainly) dispute.
35. It is not befitting to (the majesty of) Allah that He should beget a son. Glory be to Him! When he determines a matter, He only says to it, "be" and it is.

[TigerLikesRooster]

Re #79

We will see if another episode like Kuwaiti incubator incident will show up. But this time around Saddam has too much ax to grind due to 10 year sanctions. Unlike the last time when he did not expect ferocious reaction from U.S., thus have little incentive to do anything incriminating, this time he is out to settle the score against Bush clan. That and a few articles since last July indicate that this time around any bad publicity of Iraq is more than CIA disinformation. I am fully expect that there will be added disinformation on top of other real incriminating information. That is my bet, this time, which I think is reasonable.

[a_Turk]

Islam teaches about Judaism and Christianity

It teaches that Jesus is the only way to the father? Exactly what does it "teach" about Christianity?

You are starting to condescend. That would be similar to mockery, which is not favored by Jesus nor God.

Believing that Jesus is the only way to the father is identical to believing that Mohammad's advice is the only way to heaven. It's like saying: "Don't worry about the details now, but read up on them later. For now, just make the dugards and signs that confirm you to be one of us."

If you want to know what the Koran teaches about Christianity, then buy a decent translation of the Koran, and look up "Christian" and "Christianity" in the index. Do not look up "infidel" as that refers to the moon worshippers that persecuted Mohammad for preaching about Judaism and Christianity, for whom he had no patience.

You tell me how Coptic Christianity differs from the Catholic and Orthodox flavors and why, if you are able.

[a_Turk]

re 82 & 83

It's all about the same thing. One of the lines says that the crucifiction and death of the body of Jesus was not representative of the death of Jesus, whom they could not kill - no one can. The Koran teaches that the Holy Spirit blew life into the virgin Mary, which is similar to the popular Christian description of the immaculate conception - avoiding the demigod thing, which I consider a relic of polytheism.

Translations don't always work well.

[AlGone2001]

You are starting to condescend. That would be similar to mockery, which is not favored by Jesus nor God.

Truth is favored by God. If you feel comfortable telling everyone that I am mocking you, then go on ahead.

That's what people resort to when they don't have an answer.

[kinghorse]

because your wrong. The mullahs may want a place at the Iraqi table but rest assured they are very much in his camp when it comes to a pan arab super state and expulsion of all westerners from the middle east. get real.

[firebrand]

It's not that Muslims disobey the Ten Commandments, it's that they do not have the wisdom, as our Founders did, to give people the freedom to have a religion at all, for forcing a religion on someone is to make it not a religion at all but a governmental decree. A religion is only a religion if it is chosen freely.

They despise us because all they know of us is our movies and TV, which are putrid with decadence and corruption, and they are not familiar with the good people in this country or with the notion that when you have true freedom, there is a tradeoff of sorts: some people will say, print, and produce filth. That concept of freedom is an enlightened notion, and they are not there yet.

[AlGone2001]

It's all about the same thing. One of the lines says that the crucifiction and death of the body of Jesus was not representative of the death of Jesus, whom they could not kill - no one can.

You'll have to tell me then how Christianity is taught.

The Apostle Paul told the church that if it were not for His resurrection from the dead, we worship in vain.

What makes Christianity different from ALL religions is that the God-man was resurrected from the dead.

In Romans 9, Paul tells us that "If we confess with our mouths the Lord Jesus, and believe in our hearts that God has raised Him from the dead, we will be saved."

That is the Christian message. If the Koran does not teach that truth 100%, along with the verse that says He is the onl Way to God, it does not teach Christianity.

The mere mention of Jesus or Christian principles does not equate to teaching Christianity, especially when it is short the death scene and its subsequent resurrection.

[kinghorse]

I keep reading your cynical posts and have to ask, what would you do to keep the oil flowing without conflict? One thing you can do is refuse to buy your gas at any station except Hess and Citgo. Both pump western hemisphere petrol.

[AlGone2001]

Is this Christianity?

Qur'an 4:171-173   Surah An-Nisaa (The Women)
O people of the Book! commit no excesses in your religion: nor say of Allah aught but truth. Christ (Maseeh) Jesus the son of Mary was (no more than) an Apostle of Allah and His Word which He bestowed on Mary and a Spirit proceeding from Him: so believe in Allah and His Apostles. Say not "Trinity": desist: it will be better for you: for Allah is One Allah: glory be to him: (for Exalted is He) above having a son. To Him belong all things in the heavens and on earth. And enough is Allah as a Disposer of affairs.
Christ (Maseeh) disdaineth not to serve and worship Allah nor do the angels those nearest (to Allah): those who disdain His worship and are arrogant He will gather them all together unto himself to (answer).
But to those who believe and do deeds of righteousness He will give their (due) rewards and more out of His bounty: but those who are disdainful and arrogant He will punish with a grievous penalty; nor will they find besides Allah any to protect or help them.

 

[Pyro7480]

One question that keeps on popping up in my mind: why does everyone in the region hate the Kurds? Is that brand of Islam that they practice? Is it because they seek independence (because they were screwed over during the negotiations at the end of the World War I)? What is it?

[StoptheDonkey]

why hasn't anyone pointed out that the Al Qaeda \ Taliban hate Saddam as much as they have the USA.

Saddam leads a secular regime, the mullas hate him. In the eyes of the mullas Saddam is a bigger Infidel than George Dubya

This is true, and it used to be pointed out often when Iraq was fighting our war for 8 years with Iran..The mullahs governing Iran went to war with Iraq wanting to depose Saddam and install a virulent anti-USA Islamist Government like they installed in Iran when they revolted against he the Shah and then evicted us from Iran. The USA supported Iraq and Saddam then. The rest is history.."Daddy" then sent either an intentional or accidental signal to Iraq that seizing Kuwait would be okay, which was stealing Iraq's oil by illegal pumping methods.The Gulf War resulted and that"talk" ceased as I guess it was too big an embarrassment to "daddy" -and the US press has not picked up on it since, our Gov't and media both know, but it could get in the way of those beating the war drums, who may have "secrets" which are not in the best interest of the USA.It would be too enlightening for this to be mentioned in the media-or by our government- that the interest of Saddam and bin Laden are not the same.

There should be open Congressional debate as to whether war should be declared on Iraq, including whether it will be a limited war. There is no emergency with Iraq- If there is to be war with Iraq congress should be called upon to declare it , by open and recorded vote. I have so let my Senators and Rep. know how I feel about this and I wish everyone would.

I am against invading Iraq, there is no reason, I urge my Congressmen to Just Vote "NO".

[a_Turk]

In Romans 9, Paul tells us that "If we confess with our mouths the Lord Jesus, and believe in our hearts that God has raised Him from the dead, we will be saved."

That is the Christian message.

Sure, then I'll confess with my mouth and believe in my heart that God has raised Him from the dead, and then just sin away coz I'll be saved anyway. That's what I always found to be ridiculous about Saul, err, Paul. Then again, all he needed to do was to convince a bunch of simpletons.

There's my interpretation of what's written of Jesus' teachings and miracles, and then there's what others say I should interpret them all as.

Getting back to what the Koran teaches about Christianity, it may not fit with your interpretation of the meaning of the word. In fact, if you believe that Jesus is God and then maintain that he died on the cross, then that already confuses me.

Paul was the one who used the framework of polytheism to describe Jesus to the various elite. The Koran does not teach that Jesus is God, but that He was the Messiah.

[a_Turk]

Say not "Trinity"

Early Christians had no such concept.

Maseeh means Messiah.

[Thumper1960]

I'm not sure that Al Qaida would WANT to go up against Saddam and his killer-thugs. They're a bit much for the "terrorists" to handle. Saddam's boys wouldn't have any qualms about slicing and dicing a Taliban or Al Qaida member, like the pansy-arsed Westerners do.

[chemainus]

Al Quaeda/Taliban is about religion? In a pig's eye ! The bastards are about control. All out war on them and their cohorts and sponsors.

[AlGone2001]

Sure, then I'll confess with my mouth and believe in my heart that God has raised Him from the dead, and then just sin away coz I'll be saved anyway. That's what I always found to be ridiculous about Saul, err, Paul. Then again, all he needed to do was to convince a bunch of simpletons.

First, you tell us that Christianity is taught in the Koran.

Second, you tell me that I was condescending when I ask you if if the Koran teaches Jesus as the only way to the Father.

Third, you ridicule the single-most important element of the Christian faith.

Tell us again, is Christianity taught by the Koran?

[chemainus]

You know neither your ass from a hole in the ground nor the belief system of Christianity....boor , propagandist, go look in a pig's eye....