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The cross: A symbol, but of what?
AP via Providence Journal ^
| 3/16/02
| RICHARD N. OSTLING
Posted on 03/16/2002 6:42:19 AM PST by LarryLied
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To: Ward Smythe;the_doc;OrthodoxPresbyterian
To the contrary, I have been told by your compatriots - and made a great deal about it on another thread that you do indeed have "all the answers." AND, you have told me yourself that you do not need to consider my position. You contine with the childish nit picking as if it is some deep spiritual truth Ward
OP said that he had all the answers..he was speaking of the truth of scripture..IF YOU do not believe that the bible has all truth in it we work from a different base..and will never find any agreement!
To: the_doc; Bigg Red
Some of my ex-RC friends have told me that the crosses and other objects which they formerly in church just made them feel religious.I love beautiful churches. anyone that can not be "moved " by the art work at St.Peters is a rock :>)) We have a Basilica near my home. It is the first place I take visitors to our area. I do not take them there because it is a "religious experience" but a human experience to see the work of great artists.I do not need a work of man to worship the God of creation..That is His grace . Actually I find all that artwork a distraction from what is really important.That "still small voice"
To: Wrigley
Self ping
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posted on
03/19/2002 1:40:12 PM PST
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Wrigley
To: RnMomof7
Actually I find all that artwork a distraction from what is really important.That "still small voice" I was waiting for you to say that. I find it distracting, too, but I don't have as much credibility when I say it, because I am not an an ex-RC.
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03/19/2002 1:42:04 PM PST
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the_doc
To: RnMomof7; xzins; forthedeclaration; winstonchurchill; ShadowAce
I am not going to have this argument with you again.
O.P. said you have all the answers. (and got several hearty amens)
Doc said he didn't have to consider my position. (and got several hearty amens)
I believe the Bible has all the truth.
I don't believe you do.
And you have a lot of nerve calling anyone a childish nit picker.
To: Ward Smythe
And you have a lot of nerve calling anyone a childish nit picker.Sorry low blow !!
I think it is time to drop the "charge " against OP..If he posts again ask him.
To: RnMomof7
Sorry low blow !! Yes, your calling me childish was a low blow. I'm glad we can agree.
To: Ward Smythe
Yes, your calling me childish was a low blow. I'm glad we can agree.LOL you are so gracious!
To: Wrigley
Self ping Does that hurt?
To: Ward Smythe
Not as much as when I try to understand your posts.
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posted on
03/19/2002 3:57:56 PM PST
by
Wrigley
To: Wrigley
Yes, the truth hurts.
To: Ward Smythe
Here is something else that might hurt...
I just finished an interesting book on the Mormons. Did you know that Wesley was one of the people that the Mormons baptized into thier "church" after he died? I now know why you were willing to agree with the Mormons a few threads ago.
Seriously though, I was amazed with who the Mormons posthumously baptized.
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posted on
03/19/2002 4:43:49 PM PST
by
Wrigley
To: LarryLied
The cross: A symbol, but of what? The quartering of the universe into its 4 elemental components: Earth, Water, Wind and Fire.
To: Wrigley
Did you know that Wesley was one of the people that the Mormons baptized into thier "church" after he died? I think I knew that. There's a lot of people on that list though. It's one of the reasons they have such incredible genealogy records.
I now know why you were willing to agree with the Mormons a few threads ago.
Just tryin to cover the bases...
To: LarryLied
Yet the cross is spurned by Christian liberals Rita Nakashima Brock and Rebecca Ann Parker. They find belief in Jesus' saving death repellent, saying this sanctifies violence and submission to evil. "To say that Jesus' executioners did what was historically necessary for salvation is to say that state terrorism is a good thing, that torture and murder are the will of God," they say in their book Proverbs of Ashes (Beacon). HAVE THEY FOREGOTTEN THAT JESUS HAD TO DIE?!?!
To: Wrigley
Seriously though, I was amazed with who the Mormons posthumously baptized. Makes you wonder if Joseph Smith baptized his Puritan ancestors.
To: Ward Smythe
The way the list read, anyone who could help them get ANY credibility was baptized. Maybe it was just the book I read, but everything that was done, was done for a political reason. IMO, JS started it as a get rich quick scheme, and when he saw it would work, he just added stuff on.
Now, if I were to read an objective history written by a mormon, I would see the other side.
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posted on
03/20/2002 3:54:33 AM PST
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Wrigley
To: LarryLied
when Christ looks at someone "he sees a person that he loves more than life, more than glory, more than power, more than riches, more than divinity itself."
To: Wrigley
The way the list read, anyone who could help them get ANY credibility was baptized. I think you're right. In addition, my understanding is that you can "marry" someone for "time and eternity" and a lot of Mormon women "married" Brigham Young posthumously (for him, not them).
I'm reading a biography of Smith myself. Don't tell Mom.
To: Ward Smythe
Which one?
The book I just finished is One Nation Under Gods, by Richard Abanes. I recommend it. The chapter "Are Mormons Christians?" is excellent.
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03/20/2002 5:50:34 AM PST
by
Wrigley
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