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To: JohnHuang2
Others, like Michael Gonsalves of New York, disagreed: ``If you are fighting against a perceived injustice, is the proper recourse to go out and do the very same thing?''

What these wonderful folks have done is point out the truth! There never was any injustice in these mascot names!

No one has ever, before this, selected a mascot to denigrate the mascot! When these folks tried to select a mascot to denigrate it, they found out that the class of people identified with the mascot liked it! This is great real-life sitcom!

2 posted on 03/16/2002 4:17:41 AM PST by SubMareener
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To: SubMareener
``It's obvious some of the people are taking it the way it's not supposed to be taken,'' said team member Jeff VanIwarden.

Obviously. And couldn't the same be said about the very thing they're complaining about? I don't recall who sponsored the poll (Sports Illustrated?) but it was something like 80% of American Indians really didn't care about what a mascot was.

3 posted on 03/16/2002 4:25:32 AM PST by zandtar
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To: SubMareener
These indians have learned the lessons of greed too well from the white man.

A single t-shirt is twenty dollars.

I wanted to get one until I saw what was actually printed on the back of the shirt.

"Go Fightin' Whites"

(I thought it would say "whities")

Then the spoiler:

"Fighting the use of Native American stereotypes"

I'll keep my twenty bucks

Info available here

10 posted on 03/16/2002 4:34:55 AM PST by What Is Ain't
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To: SubMareener
"What these wonderful folks have done is point out the truth! There never was any injustice in these mascot names!"

Like mascots were chosen as something to be ashamed of! Schools and teams choose mascots they can respect, admire, emulate. No insult or pejorative was ever intended - duh. More than 80% of Native Americans understand this and see no insult in traditional mascots. Just another hysterical lib non-issue.

37 posted on 03/16/2002 6:41:01 AM PST by Let's Roll
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To: SubMareener
"No one has ever, before this, selected a mascot to denigrate the mascot!"

Isn't that the point? I've got zero "sports interest". Never been interested in sports (other than stuff like hunting, fishing, and the year or so I thought I'd somehow be able to have a career as an SCCA type rally driver), but I always thought the whole idea of a mascot was based on stuff like pride and admiration for the "reality behind the image".

I mean, has anyone ever had mascots with names like, "The Fleeing Cowards" or "The Rousting Gestappo" or "The Stormin' Bolsheviks" or "The Drunken Bums" or...

They pick mascot names to play off the perceived strengths and positive attributes of the RL counterparts, right?

So when they pick a parody mascot like "The Fighting Whites", are they surprised when people laugh with them? The irony is that not only are they "laughing with them", but the "them" that erected the mascot ain't laughing themselves, unless I've missed something.

It would be like the NOW nags having a "comedy show" (yeah, feminist humor = definition of oxymoron) where they tell "man jokes" through typicaly clenched teeth with jaw muscles rippling with anger, and the guys who show up to listen end up falling in the aisles lauging their asses off.

Ah, sweet irony.

104 posted on 03/17/2002 9:10:26 PM PST by Don Joe
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