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Storm over Teaching Creationism
The Indepedent ^ | 15 March 2002

Posted on 03/15/2002 1:31:37 PM PST by JediGirl

The Bishop of Durham indicated yesterday that a school where fundamentalist Christian teachers stand accused of undermining the scientific teaching of biology should subject itself to further examination by inspectors.

The Rt Rev Michael Turnbull joined the growing debate about Emmanuel College in Gateshead, Tyne and Wear, where there is evidence to suggest Christian teachers are emphasising a creationist interpretation of biology over Darwinian science.

Bishop Turnbull refused to criticise the city technology college – designated a beacon school by the Labour government and defended by Tony Blair in the House of Commons – but backed calls for re-inspection, by independent scientists who did not have a Darwinian axe to grind. "It is possible to put to children a variety of views of creation," said Bishop Turnbull. "The good academic results of this school suggest not that pupils are being brainwashed but being taught to think."

The college – built with £2m of sponsorship from Sir Peter Vardy, the multimillionaire envangelical Christian entrepreneur who runs the Reg Vardy car dealerships – hosted a creationist conference last weekend. A series of lectures by its senior staff have included tips for teachers on techniques that can be used to cast doubt on the theory of evolution.

Professor Richard Dawkins, an Oxford University scientist, joined a growing group of concerned scientists yesterday, criticising the "ludicrous falsehoods" being taught and demanding a re-inspection: "I can only think that the inspectors overlooked or were not shown what was going on in science teaching."

But the college's glowing Oftsed report in January 2001 rules out reinspection unless Estelle Morris, the Secretary of State for Education, intervenes. Ofsted indicated yesterday it had received a letter from Professor Dawkins but said the one-year period during which inspectors' work could be challenged had passed without a single complaint from parents. Only in "extreme circumstances" – such as when a school is out of control – were unscheduled inspections held.

The Ofsted report makes no reference to science teaching but, in a list of characteristics that "please parents and carers most", it places "Christian values and beliefs" at the top.

Within the national curriculum, schools must teach evolution but can teach creationism as well, leaving Emmanuel's teachers free to present evolution as a "theory" no different from the idea that the world was made in six days. The school's prospectus states "Christian Truth must play a vital part in any genuine attempt to educate young people, not to force belief on people but to ensure proper consideration is given to the Bible and its claims."

Nigel McQuoid, the headteacher, accused Professor Dawkins, and Liberal Democrat MP Jenny Tonge, who raised the issue in the Commons, of attempting to stifle debate. "This....is what happens sometimes when liberalism takes over The national curriculum insists children are confronted with the controversial issues of evolution. I am not interested in blinding children to any one side by showing them the other.

"I want the science to be examined and for science to speak for itself. I want those to have a face, to ask themselves 'Does my faith have any scientic evidence?'. In our science lessons at the moment we give more weight to evolution because that has been in the national curriculum for years. But we have assemblies and RE lessons so children are confronted by biblical stories. This is controversial, I agree, but it is not damaging for pupils to be involved in controversy."

His position does not entirely tally with the one that emerged in a lecture to an adult audience given at the college last year by the vice-principal, Gary Wiecek, who stated: "As Christian teachers it is essential we are able to counter the anti-creationist position ... It must be our duty ... to counter these false doctrines with well-founded insights."

At the school gates, parents appeared convinced by Mr McQuoid yesterday. "We are not a religious family, we do not go to church," said one. "My daughter has come home at times and said that she has been concerned by the amount of emphasis on religion but that has been during assemblies and such like, not during lessons. The school's record on science speaks for itself; the results have been excellent for years."


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1 posted on 03/15/2002 1:31:37 PM PST by JediGirl
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2 posted on 03/15/2002 1:34:46 PM PST by JediGirl
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To: Buck Turgidson
Sometimes it doesn't rise to the level of mythology.
4 posted on 03/15/2002 1:36:25 PM PST by Doctor Stochastic
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To: JediGirl
If they're so sure of their position, what are they so afraid of?
5 posted on 03/15/2002 1:37:34 PM PST by steenkeenbadges
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To: Buck Turgidson
They never will. They'd be p/o'ed if schools wanted to teach all of these. Only there's can be right. Uh huh.
6 posted on 03/15/2002 1:39:25 PM PST by JediGirl
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To: JediGirl
Interesting and a first here in England.

Thanks for the post.

I can see the point in giving students an overview of various points of view, but there certainly isn't any evidence for biblical creation in the geological record.

8 posted on 03/15/2002 1:43:31 PM PST by Da_Shrimp
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To: JediGirl
The Evolution fairies are in a roar---frenzy---march...

"Consider someone who believes that Venus is smaller than Mercury-not because he has evidence, but because he read it in a comic book and always believes whatever he reads in comic books-or consider someone who holds that belief on the basis of an outrageously bad argument. Perhaps there is no obligation he has failed to meet; nevertheless his intellectual condition is defective in some way. He displays a sort of deficiency, a flaw, an intellectual dysfunction of some sort. Perhaps he is like someone who has an astigmatism, or is unduly clumsy, or suffers from arthritis. And perhaps the evidentialist objection is to be construed, not as the claim that the theist without evidence has violated some intellectual obligations, but that he suffers from a certain sort of intellectual deficiency. The theist without evidence, we might say, is an... intellectual gimp."

Whose a gimp--fairy??

9 posted on 03/15/2002 1:46:12 PM PST by f.Christian
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To: f.Christian
Consider someone who believes that Venus is smaller than Mercury-not because he has evidence, but because he read it in a comic book and always believes whatever he reads in comic books-

Sounds like the best description of Creationism I've ever read: congrats!

10 posted on 03/15/2002 1:50:45 PM PST by Da_Shrimp
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To: JediGirl
Why people stumble...

follow madness--spiritual blindness--pride--ego--hubris...

"Were it not for the existence of sin in the world, says Calvin, human beings would believe in God to the same degree and with the same natural spontaneity displayed in our belief in the existence of other persons, or an external world, or the past. This is the natural human condition; it is because of our presently unnatural sinful condition that many of us find belief in God difficult or absurd. The fact is, Calvin thinks, one who does not believe in God is in an epistemically defective position-rather like someone who does not believe that his wife exists, or thinks that she is a cleverly constructed robot that has no thoughts, feelings, or consciousness."

...war with Truth--God--Science!

11 posted on 03/15/2002 1:52:20 PM PST by f.Christian
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To: f.Christian
Ah, Calvin, what a lovely man, not a prejudiced bone in his body, a truly well-balanced human being and a shining example to us all.
12 posted on 03/15/2002 1:55:17 PM PST by Da_Shrimp
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To: JediGirl
Both Creation and Evolution require faith. Neither can be proven beyond doubt. Therefore "both views are religious". Either teach both or neither. There's plenty of science to fill the curriculum without taking a position on how the universe came to be.

I do however think that an evolution only approach is detrimental to children. What your in fact saying is that there is no God. Do what feels good, your own gratification is most important and there is no consequences beyond this life. So live like there's no tomorrow, just don't get caught doing anything illegal. (do it but don't get caught) Can you say "Columbine"

13 posted on 03/15/2002 1:55:39 PM PST by arepublicifyoucankeepit
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To: Da_Shrimp
Communism--liberalism/socialism half died...but its religion--evolution remains healthy--vibrant--unquestioned as ever???
14 posted on 03/15/2002 1:55:57 PM PST by f.Christian
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To: arepublicifyoucankeepit
I do however think that an evolution only approach is detrimental to children. What your in fact saying is that there is no God. Do what feels good, your own gratification is most important and there is no consequences beyond this life. So live like there's no tomorrow, just don't get caught doing anything illegal. (do it but don't get caught) Can you say "Columbine"

Evolution says nothing about God.

15 posted on 03/15/2002 1:57:26 PM PST by JediGirl
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To: f.Christian
Evolution is not a religion. It simply fits the evidence better than Creationism.

There are things in the geological column that cannot be explained by a strict reading of creation/flood theory, it's as simple as that.

16 posted on 03/15/2002 1:58:08 PM PST by Da_Shrimp
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To: Da_Shrimp
Ah, Calvin, what a lovely man, not a prejudiced bone in his body, a truly well-balanced human being and a shining example to us all.

12 posted on 3/15/02 12:55 PM Hawaii-Aleutian by Da_Shrimp

You totally missed---jumped over the reformation--American revolution and landed in the socialist quagmire---evolution!

17 posted on 03/15/2002 1:58:43 PM PST by f.Christian
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To: Buck Turgidson
When will the evolutionists ever learn? Their mythology isn't science!
18 posted on 03/15/2002 1:58:52 PM PST by BibChr
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To: arepublicifyoucankeepit
What your in fact saying is that there is no God. Do what feels good, your own gratification is most important and there is no consequences beyond this life.

What does this have to do with the debate? Morality is possible without invoking God.

19 posted on 03/15/2002 1:59:41 PM PST by Da_Shrimp
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