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To: jurisdog

Some barrister you are. Argumentum ad hominem. Is this really the limit of your talent? You can't answer my argument, so you question my mental stability? I hope you don't charge your clients more than five bucks an hour for that kind of performance.

Oh, stop it with the shibboleths. We're all big kids here and we all know better. I watched my brother-in-law get destroyed by the court system when even his ex didn't want it. When their kids entered kindergarten she went back to school herself, to finish her degree. Well, she got all infatuated with some professor, and the next thing we know she's decided to leave her husband for him. Couldn't help herself, ya know? She said herself that Mr. X was the perfect husband and father. The kids loved him. Hell, she loved him. She just didn't find him "exciting" anymore. She felt horrible about the whole thing... but she was in luuuuuuuv.

For this sin the father was sent into the distance of his childrens' lives by the court system -- for the good of the children, you understand -- and reduced to poverty while his ex moved in with her boyfriend and lived high on the hog with three sets of checks coming in. And you sit here and tell us that things are all as they should be, and that this is all his fault. What rubbish.

We're talking about married people here. We're talking about the basic human capacity to have children, and the societal institutions like marriage that we use to insure that children are raised properly. What is this "keep your Johnson in the hangar" nonsense?

You are standing here in front of everybody, arguing that male citizens do not have a basic human right to expect to live in the same house with their own children... that they can and should expect to have their children taken away from them at the whim of government officials, and that their remedy for this is to "keep it in their pants." Don't go sending me to counseling until you figure out where that little piece of anti-male hatred is coming from.

Ultimately, you are about criminalizing male sexuality here, and you're trying to dress it up as some kind of age-old bias in favor of mothers. Did you even know that until this century, fathers were awarded custody of children in nearly all divorces? No, you didn't know that. You're just peddling nonsense to disguise your oh-so-reasonable-sounding arguments for why human males should be treated like animals in our court system. And why it's perfectly OK to do this on such a scale that we now have half the children in the country separated from their biological fathers.

I have to conclude from your comments and arguments here that you are not merely a bystander at this, or just some lawyer trying to justify making a living from other peoples' misery. You're actually in favor of criminalizing and dehumanizing men, and of separating the adult male population from children. In which case, God damn you.

27 posted on 04/13/2002 10:14:11 PM PDT by Nick Danger
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To: Nick Danger
The fact that you have some baggage about this issue is clear to everyone else. Youre letting it totally cloud your post and your responses.

All I am saying is that YES there is a bias towards women, and yes its existed a LONG LONG time. I am also saying that part of that reason is because women are more important to children at a young age.

Do fathers get the short end of the stick? Yep. Is it fair? Nope. Do kids need fathers? Of course.

When a divorce happens, there is no good outcome. It is going to be bad no matter what. But there IS a system in place, and I think it does more good than bad.

The only way to avoid the downsides of the system is to avoid divorce in the first place.
28 posted on 04/13/2002 11:28:38 PM PDT by jurisdog
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To: Nick Danger
"And why it's perfectly OK to do this on such a scale that we now have half the children in the country separated from their biological fathers."

According to a Fox News piece last night, that number is up to 60% now. I was busy picking up Lego blocks, I didn't catch the original source.

35 posted on 04/14/2002 5:00:51 PM PDT by Harrison Bergeron
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To: Nick Danger
#27, hell of an argument , Nick. Good guy, brilliant mind. You have my respect.
39 posted on 04/14/2002 11:24:57 PM PDT by The Giant Apricots
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