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To: Heartlander
1. The unsubstantiation of a Darwinian mechanism of evolution

Uhhhh .. can you explain how 'selective breeding' works then?

Oh - it doesn't?

That's funny - and I thought that it had been used for years on everything from food to fauna ...

Another thing - why is there a prohibition on people marrying their close family members - is there some 'genetic thing' that results in - omigod - the possible crreation of a 'weak' genetic being (wherein normally recessive undesireable genetic characteristics may appear)?

1. The unsubstantiation of a Darwinian mechanism of evolution

4 posted on 03/13/2002 6:20:58 AM PST by _Jim
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To: _Jim
Uhhhh .. can you explain how 'selective breeding' works then?

Uhhhh .. intelligence? A specific goal being worked toward? Unwanted traits being bred out?

How does an unthinking, unplanning process do that?

5 posted on 03/13/2002 6:29:50 AM PST by ShadowAce
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To: _Jim
Hey now – don’t shoot the messenger. There are problems with the theory of evolution. That is not to say that over time they can't be solved. I believe the main problem is evolution with out intelligent design. Same with Cosmology.
6 posted on 03/13/2002 6:31:45 AM PST by Heartlander
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To: _Jim
No one doubts that there is minor evolution within species. That has been seen too many times to count. What is at issue is the General Theory of Evolution. That is so full of scientific holes that it's only held together by blind faith. No one has seen any evidence of one species evolving into another, still less evolving into ALL the species that now exist. No one can explain how living creatures could develop eyes, legs, wings, or similar features, which would have no survival value for millions of years until they were fully developed. No one can explain how incredibly complex organic molecules could develop out of some undifferentiated "soup," when none of these DNA particles can continue to exist without interacting with all the other particles. And so forth.

Creationism is a pseudo-science that grew up mainly for legal reasons. The courts said that only science, not religion, could be taught in the public schools. This provoked a response that the Genesis account is scientific, which is something of a distortion. This is not to say that it isn't true, but it's not science in the usual sense of the word. You can't blame the creationists for doing what they did. Rather the fault was with the courts, for banning God, the Bible, and morality from the schools. That was a disastrous and unconstitutional error.

Intelligent design theory, on the other hand, is science. And it makes more sense than the general theory of evolution.

You can't prove the truths of Christianity by scientific method. It's a matter of revelation and belief. But you can demonstrate that the hypothesis that the universe was created by an intelligent designer is much likelier than the hypothesis that it arose by blind chance. There are just too many problems for Darwin's theory to hold up.

14 posted on 03/13/2002 7:02:03 AM PST by Cicero
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To: _Jim
With regard to selective breeding, there are experiments that show when the bred animals (cows for instance) are left to breed on their own, the animals revert back to the original types. All of the intelligent work in breeding has vanished.
19 posted on 03/13/2002 7:14:39 AM PST by IpaqMan
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To: _Jim
Uhhhh .. can you explain how 'selective breeding' works then? Oh - it doesn't? That's funny - and I thought that it had been used for years on everything from food to fauna ... A third faulty assumption is the often used analogy to artificial selection. "If artificial selection can do so much in only a few years," so the refrain goes, "just think what natural selection can do in millions of years." But artificial selection works because it incorporates foresight and conscious purpose, the absence of which are the defining qualities of the blind watchmaker. In addition, artificial selection actually demonstrates the limits to change since an endpoint in the selection process is usually reached very quickly. The blind watchmaker hypothesis, when analyzed carefully, falls into the category of fanciful stories that are entertaining--but which hold no resemblance to reality.

It is right there in the text. Either argue with that or try again.

23 posted on 03/13/2002 8:00:28 AM PST by queenofsardonia
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To: _Jim
Uhhhh .. can you explain how 'selective breeding' works then?

In breeding, humans select traits already existing in a species and mate individuals with those traits to reinforce the trait. The genes for these traits already exist in the species, no new traits are created therefore it does not give any proof for evolutionists. Evolution needs new genes for the miriad different species out there. Breeding creates no new genes.

62 posted on 03/13/2002 8:16:27 PM PST by gore3000
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To: _Jim
Yawn....this is not the type of evolution being discussed by the author and you know it.
67 posted on 03/14/2002 4:38:13 AM PST by rwfromkansas
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To: _Jim
1. The unsubstantiation of a Darwinian mechanism of evolution

Uhhhh .. can you explain how 'selective breeding' works then?

Oh - it doesn't?

That's funny - and I thought that it had been used for years on everything from food to fauna ...

Breeders have never once bred one kind of animal into another. Moreover, you can take the extreme values they get for any one species, such as great danes and chihauhaus and turn them loose in the forest and, five generations later, all which will be left is your ordinary 50-lb. hunting dog seen all over the world, or the norm for the given species.

Likewise, breeders in the 1800s told Chuck Darwin he was full of $#!T and that all anybody trying to breed a new kind of animal would ever get would be sterile individuals and individuals which returned boomarang-like to the norm for the species they were working with.

Guess what? The scientists who conducted the famous fruit-fly experiments in the early 1900's saw only sterile individuals and individuals which returend, boomarang-like, to the norm for fruit flies. These experiments with a creature which produces new generations every few days went on for many years and involved everything known to cause mutations, electricity, radiation, chemicals, temperature extremes, and deliberate efforts to combine mutants, and all they ever got was fruit flies.

The results presented so overwhelming a case against evolution that a number of the scientists publically disavowed evolution. The most notable such case was Goldschmidt with his "hopeful monster" theory, who afterwards claimed to be being subjected to something like the "two minute hate" sessions described by Orwell by his colleagues.

72 posted on 03/14/2002 4:57:35 AM PST by medved
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