Posted on 03/13/2002 5:43:18 AM PST by areafiftyone
- Catholics are steadfast in thier refusal to do what you outline though, and I fear it will not purge these particular problems until it happens. With prayers they'll weather the interim
I want to thank you for the recent pings too- though I do not reply to them - each thread is read and appreciated.
With all the Catholic bashing I've seen around here ..
I'd say yep
Did you read the article at all? Apparently not or you would have known it said it was "cosensual" (my pun) sex. This indiscrete pastor is charged with second-degree felony because his lover was 2 months shy of 18 yrs old and he was about 51 cards short of a full deck for fiddling around in a parked vehicle.
Also, his "pick-up" was on the Net and not out of his "flock" - I dont condone this and no apologist for homosexuality but the lack of another "Godly" quality called MERCY is appalling here. All of you are quick to judge the man for his weakness, I surely hope his congregation will stand by him as the jackals with fangs bared are all too willing to consume his livelihood, and see him thrown out in the street. Sad.
AB
And you seemed to miss the point of my post..Sin is sin..it is found everywhere...but the reason that the RC church is drowning under a wave of Child abuse charges is because they get more than an occassional abuser..the system is set up to attract them
Really?
If they were lusting after the younger female of the species, I would agree - Its obvious to all though that these priests are desirous of young boys...hmmmmm?
Sin is rampant in the Church because of the lack of sound teaching, you know this must be true if even the TEACHERS are off chasing the things of the flesh, rather than exhorting their flocks to just works of faith. Still, I do not judge this pastor, this circumstance exposing him may just be the salvation of his soul if he now repents and goes on for God.
More power to the parents to monitor what their kids are doing on the internet. How sad.
You're right, for the wrong reason. It's not the celibacy that's a problem; it's the feminazis, queers, and modernists in some of the diocesan vocations offices. I've read credible reports of them actively weeding out the 'good guys', in favour of incipient perverts. The Wanderer, an orthodox Catholic newspaper, has frequently reported on this topic. I've also seen credible reports referenced on FR that the pervert problem is as bad in Protestant circles as in Catholic. We're a much bigger target, however. Finally, you fail defend the notion that a married ordained ministry would necessarily be relatively pervert-free, nor do you address the fact that this incident suggests the opposite.
Is married priesthood one of the issues that prompted you to leave the Church?
AB
I cant imagine why when the Media's agenda is to defame Christianity as a farce and lead young people and lost souls in general away from the Truth by portraing believers in Jesus as hypocritical.
What is it with clergy and sex with underage boys?
The question is why is this type of thing more publicized than say, teenagers having sex with other teenagers? See above.
That being said, if you want to ask me if I think there can be forgiveness for him, my answer is yes, of course. If he truly repents and humbly seeks forgiveness from God, he will be granted it from our merciful Father. That is between him and God (since God alone is able to truly judge his heart).
I will probably also part ways with you when I say that even if he does reconcile himself with God, he needs to step down from ministry. Even forgiven sin has consequences (regardless of what the "anything-goes-in-the-name-of-love crowd" would have us believe).
Again, you fail to address that married protestant ministers also engage in buggery, and you fail to address that in some areas faithful, orthodox young men who have no use for buggery, abortion, or militant feminism are actively weeded out of the seminaries. Cleaning the queers, feminazis, and new-agers out of the diocesan vocations offices will do far more good than caving in to them on the issue of priestly celibacy.
Was the priestly celibacy issue one of the reasons you abandoned the Faith?
AB
are you trying to pick a fight ? I was sharing an opinion with RN - am I entitled to that - show me where I denied Protestants have the same problem ? - It is MY OPINION (operative word) that celibacy in the priesthood will be the demise of the Catholic faith - If you recall between frothing heavy breaths I said:this is not just a Catholic problem
Was the priestly celibacy issue one of the reasons you abandoned the Faith?
actually my denomination abandoned me..... tolerance of openly schismatic parishes by a left leaning bishop pushed me away - I live in this diocese
I've often wondered how many people have been driven from the Church by that sort of people... I was almost one of them. Oddly, it's just that sort of people who want married priests. It's also that sort of people who are, in some areas, letting queers into the seminary and "weeding out" the good guys. In spite of them and their malfeasance, nothing will be the demise of the Catholic Church.
You're welcome to your opinion; it's a free country. This is a public forum, however.
AB
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