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In as much as my husband is first generation American, a two tour Viet Nam Vet, and retired Marine whose parents came here from Mexico to escape the Revolution ( his maternal grandparents put his mom in a car with a black family ...that is how dark she was from the sun..) and yes back then they were illegals who never had the advantage of school yet learned both English and Spanish, had 10 kids all of whom bacame very successful but one who is handicapped ..oh and another who is also a retired Marine Viet vet.., people who taught the kids whose first language was Spanish that they must learn English as quickly as possible and to speak Spanish only at home... well all the Mexican bashing just was a bit much. Never mind the fact that there are Irish, English and others who are here illegally too...And no, I don't think people should get amnesty because they came here illegally... but frankly I am sick and tired of all Mexicans being tossed in the same pot with those who are troublesome. Don't forget, Mexicans are not the only group of people who have bad apples in the mix....lets see... Westerfield of San Diego..last time I looked he is white.... H, Rap Brown...he's black...shall we go on? That's why I left the site last night. OUr usual fun thread of banter got hostile. I thought we left those types of hot topics to the threads that dealt with that particular subject. At least Ratty was one who tried to present the other point of view and he did it better than I could cuz I was getting pretty steamed.