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Well this has been nice. Earth,Life,America. We have been so gutted I am at a loss for words. The MX was truly our saviour in the Nuclear arsenal.No tin-foil. No black helicopters. This is how it is.Now try and sleep well.
1 posted on 03/12/2002 9:36:06 AM PST by My Favorite Headache
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2 posted on 03/12/2002 9:38:32 AM PST by My Favorite Headache
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To: My Favorite Headache
Perhaps they intend to "dismantle" them over Bejing?

we can hope...

3 posted on 03/12/2002 9:42:05 AM PST by phasma proeliator
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Let's see, how long have you been in the mother ship?

This reads like a page out of the "Rockefeller, Internationalist" handbook.

I'm not going to refute every nonsensical claim here, especially the lunacy that somehow American leaders are deliberately disarming to give the Russkies a "win."

It is enought to point out that Reagan KNEW that the MX was obsolete when he deployed it in the early 1980s, but he did so both to fulfill a campaign promise and to just simply "add numbers." If you begin with that starting point, the rest of this article is pure nonsense. Fixed, land-based missiles in the 1980s were obsolete in that they could be easily targeted, unlike sea-based assets. The Trident II missile, with GPS, was FAR superior in Hard-Target-Kill-Capacity than the MX, and now, with better targeting, is even more so. Moreover, as we have seen, cruise missiles and RPGs are becoming far more effective than any fixed missile ever was.

Now go off to the mothership. They need you.

10 posted on 03/12/2002 10:09:19 AM PST by LS
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Check out this website to test a small nuke vs. a large nuke going off in your city:

Bomb Blast Mapper and Radiation Mapper

A small 1 megaton nuke would kill over 1 million people if detonated in down town Portland ..... and the radiation would wipe out all life for about 200 miles traveling East.

15 posted on 03/12/2002 11:01:15 AM PST by ex-Texan
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To: My Favorite Headache, sonofliberty2, OKCSubmariner, scholastic
Great article, but I can assure you that Rumsfeld is not to blame. He is one of the cooler heads in the Bush Administration and if he had it his way, the US would not uniterally disarming itself of its strategic nuclear deterrent at all. The Bush unilateral nuclear disarmament proposal to disarm us from 7200 to 1700 strategic nukes was done over his protest and over the protest of the Pentagon's top generals. Then a classified Nuclear Posture Review was issued to support the President's political decision which was done without consideration of our needs of deterring nuclear attack from Russia, which Bush has reclassified from being a potential enemy to a likely ally.

The full implementation of Bush's directive to unilaterally disarm the United States of its strategic nuclear deterrent which will have the effect of eliminating the US as a global superpower and thus increasing the relative power of the Sino-Russian alliance. It will also go far to make the world safe for nuclear war/nuclear blackmail by vastly increasing the current Russian superiority in strategic offensive and defensive nuclear might over the United States. All because Bush and his globalist anti-nuke advisors believe that Russia and Communist China can be trusted strategic partners who will support the US efforts to contain the very rogue states that they have armed to the teeth with ballistic missiles and weapons of mass destruction against us. The US strategic nuclear deterrent has been the greatest guarantor of global peace in the last five and a half decades. Once it is gone, there is nothing to stop the Sino-Russian alliance from dominating the world.

As I have repeatedly stated, there are two opposing visions of the New World Order. One is a world effectively ruled by the Sino-Russian axis of nations. The other is a socialistic one-world government dominated by the Western powers now being promoted by the CFR member-infested Bush Administration. Ultimately, the side whose vision dominates will be the one that induces the other to unilaterally disarm in the face of increasing national security threats as the West is now happily doing. At this point, the future of the world is a grim one as the Sino-Russian alliance grows stronger and the US-led Western alliance grows militarily weaker and more decadent. Under the leadership of President George W. Bush, the correlation of forces is shifting against the United States and in favor of our enemies. Of course, you wouldn't know it by the President's artificially high poll numbers stemming from his short term military victory in Afghanistan.

Of course, there is one other outcome and that is a triumph for the cause of freedom, national independence and sovereignity which can be made possible if concerned Americans unite to defeat globalist politicians and elect conservative visionaries who will put America's interests first for a change and keep her defenses strong. One can only pray that freedom triumphs in the end, but for now freedom is on the wane and America is on a path which will lead it to follow the Roman Empire into historical oblivion. Only millions of concerned politically active American patriots united in their determination to make this God's country once again will be able to make the difference.
17 posted on 03/12/2002 11:06:27 AM PST by rightwing2
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Rumsfeld is obviously only doing this to trick the Democrats.

Let's Roll.

30 posted on 03/12/2002 11:50:44 AM PST by Jefferson Adams
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Please don't be too upset. Bush is just being Proactive. He is completely revamping the mitary forces. What is happening is a more adaptable and fluid force structure.


Instead of clinging onto the Margonot Line like France did in the 1930's, or hold on to the Calvary, like the Poles did in 1938, or using mass armor like Hussen did in Iraq,he is trying to adapt to the changes in the global weapon and threat structure.


Our military ig becomming far more dangerous and useful to the US interests than it ever has been before. Or, do you think that we need to have forced conscription?


43 posted on 03/12/2002 12:49:23 PM PST by vannrox
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55 posted on 03/12/2002 1:19:31 PM PST by backhoe
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bump
57 posted on 03/12/2002 1:30:49 PM PST by Centurion2000
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To: My Favorite Headache;Prodigal Daughter;Thinkin' Gal;Jeremiah Jr; AlGone2001; boston_liberty...
Read it and weep bump!
62 posted on 03/12/2002 1:51:57 PM PST by 2sheep
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Goodbye America-The MX Missle,Rumsfeld,Russia,and China. What Are We Doing?

From the title sounds like were blending right in with the new world order of things !

78 posted on 03/12/2002 2:57:35 PM PST by ATOMIC_PUNK
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Condi Rice commented this the other day..quote:
"And we can indeed reduce our nuclear forces by 2/3rds..
And intend to do that...whether Russia does or not".

The U.S. Triad arrangement is very vulnerable...from bandwith transmission..to slow ELF command to the "Boomers"...may analysts view a first strike by Multi-phasing EMP broadband as the deathnell to the Triads ability to respond.
Although TACAMOS are EMP hardened..it is still unkown if they will survive high altitude Multi-phasing EMP from stand-off Nuclear missiles..lauched by "Dash..highspeed",Soviet bombers.
The ELF[Extremely low Frequency] chain stations are vulnerable..the comment is...ELF is only viable PRIOR..to nuclear events...afterwards..it is useless.

Subs cannot reply to ELF..they must near surface to uplink with Satillite..and recieve "Burst transmission"

I am in no way an expert..but from Tom Clancey..to analyst info...a forward rocking ladder of stand off nuclear missiles could EMP from varied hemispherical elevations..from Alaska to the heartland..in less than 30 minutes.

The first side that goes EMP..wins...its a no brainer!

86 posted on 03/12/2002 3:34:30 PM PST by Light Speed
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I think Bush is a master of deception and I don't trust him; however, if this is true, he and Rummy have to be the two biggest idiots on this planet.
88 posted on 03/12/2002 3:41:18 PM PST by theoutsideman
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"Even though only 50 MX missiles exists, with 10 warheads on each missile that’s a loss of 500 potential targets--a huge loss in deterrence capability."

I will have to go along with the govmints decision to phase out Peacekeeper. I was an engineer on the second stage motor and have a few tidbits to offer.

1. We have more than 50 Peacekeepers. In fact we have more than 100. The extras are traveling around the country in trailers while maintainence is performed. We will have Peackeepers to spare for quite sometime without new production.

2. It is the most deadly weapon system ever produced but is just not cost effective to maintain. Solid propellant systems need to be periodically regrained and Peacekeepers very flexible Kevlar-epoxy shell doesn't lend itself well to cutting out the old propellant with water jets as is done with minuteman and other rockets.

3. Peacekeeper has problems with flight enhanced erosion of the rubber insulation system that may be cutting into the design margins depending on the results of current surveilance and aging studies. Once the insulators are shot it is probability no longer possible to regrain. The hardware would have to be stripped and a whole new motor wound, insulated, and cast. $$$$$$$$$$$

4. Everything was sacrificed for performance on Peacekeeper and little thought was given to longivity, other components such as exit cones, gas generators, etc. may have a fixed life that is nearing the end.

5. Peacekeeper doesn't really have a mission anymore.

6. Minuteman with its steel shells can be upgraded and regrained for many more decades. It is easier to handle too. You don't have to worry as much about delaminations from hitting bumps in the road.

89 posted on 03/12/2002 3:42:31 PM PST by SSN558
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106 posted on 03/12/2002 6:08:46 PM PST by My Favorite Headache
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116 posted on 03/12/2002 8:28:30 PM PST by klpt
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Sleep back to sleeeeeeep ZZZzzzzzzzZZzzzzzzzz. Someone quick, some more happy juice for this man over here, he seems to be awakening. I will read it all, but the tempo of changes is frightening. When someone said that the seesaw of political parties, is what enables the change to come rapidly, and without dissent, they spoke truth.
118 posted on 03/12/2002 8:58:31 PM PST by jeremiah
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Try a google search for Yamantau Mountain, and then tell me that this article is tin foil time, Uh uh....
128 posted on 03/13/2002 5:15:13 AM PST by DreamWeaver
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Third, even though only 50 MX missiles exists, with 10 warheads on each missile that’s a loss of 1500 potential targets--a huge loss in deterrence capability

50 X 10 = 1500????


135 posted on 03/13/2002 6:12:22 AM PST by wattsmag2
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So your saying it's time to get out of the Stock Market and stay liquid?
165 posted on 03/14/2002 3:43:21 PM PST by MissAmericanPie
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