So where is the plane?

WorldNetDaily ^ | 3/10/02 | Geoff Metcalf

[Cultural Jihad]

WTF were they thinking???

Geoff likes to ham it up with conspiracy theories all the time. His customer base includes the militia nutcase mentality and libertarian ideologues. Hopefully the ad revenue for WND will have increased for them, lest their efforts at shoveling out this drivel be a complete waste.

[MARTIAL MONK]

I'll disagree with you all day on a lot of things but you're right on this. Doubters should check out the threads from the days immediately following 9/11. There are dozens of eyewitness reports of the plane hitting the building. Rescuers inside the building describe climbing through aircraft wreckage to help victims.

This begs the question; What kind of mind stands logic and incontrovertible proof on its head to grasp for a illogical and unprovable conspiracy? Is this disconnect from reality insanity or is it healthy skepticism?

[Redcloak]

How can a Boeing 757-200 – weighing nearly 100 tons and traveling at a minimum speed of 250 miles an hour – only have damaged the outside of the Pentagon?

Quite simple. Because it wasn't going at 250 MPH. Go to that MSNBC page with the Macromedia Flash viewer of the impact. After it runs, grab the control and flip back and forth between the first and second frames. The first thing you'll likely notice is the dust trail following the plane in the second frame. Then you'll likey spot the plane itself in the first frame; a shiny object that isn't in the subsequent frames. Flight 77 struck the ground before impact. It then skidded into the building and struck the first floor. Because it struck the ground first, it burned off energy before contact with the building. This lowered the kinetic energy of the hit. Combined with the building's great strength, the slowing of the aircraft minimized the damage.

[Cultural Jihad]

Is this disconnect from reality insanity or is it healthy skepticism?

Or something nefarious, or just plain stupid, and arrogantly French.

[pt17]

It's really not necessary for anyone to trash WorldNetDaily since they do it quite well by themselves.

[LadyDoc]

The Pentagon side that was hit was partly empty because they had just finished a job of reconstruction. Not only were the walls made of masonry, but they had just been strengthened with anti Bomb material. When the plane went in, it went in through the second and third ring. However, the hole was small, and the upper building didn't immediately collapse since it had been reinforced so strongly.

A truck bomb would not have penetrated so deeply: Even the Ok city bomb didn't penetrate too deeply. and a truck bomb would have left a hole downward (explode in a circle, not in a slash like a plane. ) Finally, the truck bomb would have left an axel.

I understand the Frogs are ignorant. But Geo Metcalf should be ashamed of himself. Most of the information on the Pentagon was on C Span.

I remember stories after an American Airlines plane went straight down near Pittsburgh. The local firemen etc working there said there was little left of the plane. Ditto for a plane going straight into a bomb protected wall, then four more walls (inside and outsides of the three rings that were penetrated).

[Budge]

Does any one have an explanation for why the plane doesn't show up on the Pentagon's own camera?

But it does show up on the Pentagon's footage. I used to be a professional photographer and it took me several runs before I saw the plane skidding along the ground, wheels up. It also explains why the plane didn't penetrate the building as far as it would have had it not hit the ground first.

Any doubters should ask Barbara Olsen's husband, Ted if she was just playing a joke on him.

[TomB]

I have never seen an aircraft accident where the aircraft evaporated upon impact, water, land or buildings.

Mr. Metcalf, say hello to flight 93.

[TomB]

Some new pictures posted by someone at the Pentagon at the time in response to this stupid, stupid conspiracy theory.

[Fury]

I saw on a thread the other day when these were released a picture someone had posted that was clearly a large twisted piece of aircraft aluminum laying on the lawn in front the Pentagon building. It was silver on the outside and had the funney green primer they use on the other side. There was no doubt that it was aircraft sheeting.

Some loon is gonna say they planted it, and that they never recovered the black boxes either. Remember when they couldnt get anything off of the black boxes? The plane hit the building so hard it practically vaporized.

Where is the Desk?

Agreed. On some other thread, one of the main advocates of something perhaps other than a plane causing the damage at the Pentagon just stuttered when asked where the people have gone to that were on that flight that "perhaps did not" hit the Pentagon. Never mind the people that on FR described the plane flying torward the Pentagon and I believe in the case of two reports, saw it hit the Pentagon.

The same crap is over on DU. People that propose some of the zany theories for the explosion and destruction at the Pentagon are going to continue to do this when the next tragedy comes along. It'll never stop.

[Teacher317]

The purpose of this psy-war isn't about where the plane is; rather it's to instill distrust for our government at a time of war.

As if we didn't have plenty of reasons to distrust government before 9-11. This is the latest great example that government should not be trusted. ("UNLIMITED FORCED DRUGGING OK'D BY COURT")

[Teacher317]

From that thread:

"Picture 13 shows more of the debris field, including a twisted piece of the American Airliner."

[Teacher317]

(note to self... check out post 32!)

[Kozak]

"Where the heck were those legendary SAMs that are supposedly stationed on top of the White House??"

It wouldn't have mattered. At that speed with that size plane it would have hit as it was breaking up and impacted in the same spot. They are designed to bring a plane down, not stop it's flight path.

[Kozak]

I personally got to investigate several aircraft accidents while a flight surgeon in the Air Force. In one an F-4 impacted at high speed 600+knots into a scrub pine forest on a bombing range in Florida. The aircraft impacted at a shallow angle going through the trees like they were a cheese grater. There wasn't a SINGLE piece of the aircraft left bigger then a couple of square inches except for one of the the 20mm cannon barrels. If you didn't KNOW it was a plane, you would have been damn hard pressed to identify it as such unless you were an expert.

This entire "controversy" is so nauseating I can't stand it. It doesn't matter that we have the flight track of the aircraft, that we have eye witnesses, that we have survivors, that we have rescue personnel, and photo's clearly showing aircraft wreckage, the PIN HEADS keep at it.

[Johnny Shear]

World Net Daily is a JOKE!!!!

It's a FREAKING embarrassment that it's considered a "Conservative" website.

Sad...

[TomB]

(note to self... check out post 32!)

LOL! Teach, I came this (fingers a hair-width apart) close to doing the same thing.

Rather conclusive picture, no?

[TomB]

This entire "controversy" is so nauseating I can't stand it.

Frustrating, isn't it?

Although it is probably instructive to note that most of the usual suspects who jump on every conspiracy theory have, up to now, avoided this topic.

Looking at the picture in post 32 (and, ahem Teach, post 53), you can see very well just how thin the skin of an modern jetliner really is. Imagine that hitting a highly reinforced concrete building at over 300 mph and it isn't hard to imagine not much of it remaining intact.

[DallasDeb]

I feel certain there was an airplane. But I also remember thinking, in the far reaches of my mind, the area looks too neat. Could it be that the airplane had a significant-sized bomb on it that caused disintegration of the plane?