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So where is the plane?
WorldNetDaily ^ | 3/10/02 | Geoff Metcalf

Posted on 03/10/2002 9:55:18 PM PST by CalConservative

I receive a lot of strange information from a wide variety of sources. Some of it is intriguing. Some of it is flat-out weird. I try (and frequently fail) to temporarily set aside my own personal prejudices to objectively as possible consider the merits of both the intriguing and weird.

Recently, an interesting French website has been asking questions about the crash of American Airlines Flight 77, which reportedly crashed into the Pentagon on Sept. 11.

The conventional wisdom has been inculcated into us that there were four terrorist hijacked airplanes that tragic day. But there are refutations for each of the official scenarios floating around. The conspiracy theory industry hasn't been this jazzed since the JFK assassination.

However, in the shadow of the creative writing, multi-phased propaganda and bovine excrement, there are several questions that at least should be asked and answered.

The lie can be maintained only for such time as the State can shield the people from the political, economic and/or military consequences of the lie. It thus becomes vitally important for the State to use all of its powers to repress dissent, for the truth is the mortal enemy of the lie, and thus by extension, the truth becomes the greatest enemy of the State.
– Dr. Joseph M. Goebbels

The French website has pictures of the Pentagon from Sept. 11. I looked at the pictures shown and, frankly, (despite my visceral reluctance to buy into another conspiracy) can't answer the questions raised. Maybe our readers can? Click on the French link and let us know what you think. I have also viewed the MSNBC footage over two dozen times and I still can't see the plane. Can you?


1. The first satellite image shows the section of the building that was hit by the Boeing. In the image, the second ring of the building is also visible. It is clear that the aircraft only hit the first ring. The four interior rings remain intact. They were only fire-damaged after the initial explosion.

How can a Boeing 757-200 – weighing nearly 100 tons and traveling at a minimum speed of 250 miles an hour – only have damaged the outside of the Pentagon?


2. The next two photographs show the building just after the attack. The aircraft apparently only hit the ground floor. The four upper floors collapsed toward 10:10 am. The building is 78 feet high.

How can a plane 44.7 feet high, over 155 feet long, with a wingspan of almost 125 feet and a cockpit almost 12 feet high, crash into just the ground floor of this building?


3. Look at the photograph of the lawn in front of the damaged building.

Where is the debris? Any debris! Did it all disintegrate on contact?


4. There are photographs, which show representations of a Boeing 757-200 superimposed on the section of the building that was hit.

What happened to the wings of the aircraft? Why isn't there any wing damage?


5. One journalist asked: "Is there anything left of the aircraft at all?" At a press conference the day after the tragedy, Arlington County Fire Chief Ed Plaugher said, "First of all, the question about the aircraft, there are some small pieces of aircraft visible from the interior during this fire-fighting operation. I'm talking about, but not large sections."

The follow-up question asked, "In other words, there's no fuselage sections and that sort of thing?" Plaugher replied, "You know, I'd rather not comment on that. We have a lot of eyewitnesses that can give you better information about what actually happened with the aircraft as it approached. So we don't know. I don't know."

Wait a minute! Time after time (Oklahoma City bombing, TWA Flight 800, Flight 93 et al.) we are told not to depend on eyewitnesses?

When asked by a journalist: "Where is the jet fuel?" The chief responded, "We have what we believe is a puddle right there that the … what we believe is to be the nose of the aircraft."


Notwithstanding the collective myopia in not being able to see what we are being told, there are more questions.

One pilot wrote, "I flew the Boeing 747 jumbo jet, but not this 757 … from what I see (or don't see) looking at these pictures, it's hard to pick out aircraft parts:

Whatever inexplicable anomalies exist, the passengers on Flight 77 died that tragic day. Barbara Olson called her husband from Flight 77 and told him about the hijacking in progress. There was most certainly an American Airlines Flight 77 with real people on board, and families in grief.

What did happen to the plane? Where is it?


TOPICS: Editorial; News/Current Events; US: Virginia
KEYWORDS: airseclist; conspiracytheories; flight77; terrorwar; tinfoilhat
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To: Phil V.
Nope, I just came back from Roswell the other day, better try Area 51.
21 posted on 03/10/2002 10:41:10 PM PST by razorback-bert
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To: spoiler2
You mean that ssmall white blob only visible in the first frame? IMO the tail is not visible since the object, which could pass for a tail fin, in visible the successive frames. As far as I could see the only change looking strictly at the right hand side of the sequence is a white blob at the beginning.
22 posted on 03/10/2002 10:41:35 PM PST by Texas_Jarhead
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To: CalConservative
Good Lord. How can anyone believe this drivel?
23 posted on 03/10/2002 10:42:51 PM PST by Wphile
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To: Cultural Jihad
Frankly, I have never had much respect for World Net Daily. This certainly solidifies that suspicion.
24 posted on 03/10/2002 10:43:48 PM PST by Wphile
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To: freeasinbeer
Look, I am in no way convinced that the jet didn't crash into the Pentagon. But I find the visual evidence interesting if nothing else. BTW, I am familiar with demolitions and explosives. Seen much first hand. The fact of the matter is the destructive power of a 100+ story building falling down is an order of magnitude greater than a jet crash which is essentially to a big bomb.
25 posted on 03/10/2002 10:45:31 PM PST by Texas_Jarhead
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To: Cultural Jihad
Geoff Metcalf also predicted dire emergencies stemming from Y2K. Geoff is a good man, but he needs to use more common sense about this wierdo stuff.

The Pentagon was not heavily damaged because it had just been retrofitted to withstand terrorist bomb attacks. Why is this so hard to understand? A commercial airliner is not designed to penetrate reinforced buildings. It's relatively fragile and light weight. It's like a thin metal ballon filled with fuel. When they crash head-on into something hard, there's not going to be much left that's recognizable.

26 posted on 03/10/2002 10:45:49 PM PST by BigBobber
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To: Texas_Jarhead
The tail is the dark, flat-topped triangle,seen at the top of the right post, that is gone in the next frame.

The white blob is the dust and/or smoke from sliding along the ground.

Notice in the second frame, the dust now goes right up to the explosion, where previously it was green grass.

27 posted on 03/10/2002 10:48:48 PM PST by spoiler2
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To: Wphile
Exactly. If the plane didn't hit the pentagon, where did it go? Where did all those people on the plane go? Are they sunning it up in the Carribean in some pseudo-witness protection program? Oh, and as if this will come as a shock, this same thread is getting lots of play over on DU, but don't bother checking it out unless you too believe that the Mossad flew this plane by remote control into the Pentagon, or that a bomb FROM INSIDE the pentagon caused the damage. This makes me want to puke, and anyone who could doubt the haunting phone calls from that plane before its flight ended should really question their sanity.
28 posted on 03/10/2002 10:49:27 PM PST by freeasinbeer
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To: CalConservative
George Metcalf? Who is GM...Nuff said!
29 posted on 03/10/2002 10:52:43 PM PST by blackbart1
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To: spoiler2
Ahhh. I see what you're talkin about. Thanks. I was looking more to the right.
30 posted on 03/10/2002 10:54:10 PM PST by Texas_Jarhead
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To: CalConservative
I know someone who could tell Geoff where the plane is, but she would have to kill him afterwards.


31 posted on 03/10/2002 10:57:04 PM PST by RippleFire
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To: CalConservative

32 posted on 03/10/2002 10:57:51 PM PST by unamused
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To: RippleFire
What a way to go!
33 posted on 03/10/2002 10:58:23 PM PST by RichInOC
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To: Texas_Jarhead
I dont know the exposure rate of the security cam, but at a frame per second or so, the plane slid across the entire grass area and exploded before the next frame.

Once you start to control the frame indicator, move it quickly between the four frames, to speed it up to real time, and you get an impression of the true speed and impact.

34 posted on 03/10/2002 11:00:43 PM PST by spoiler2
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To: CalConservative
The Pentagon is built like a brick bleep-house. Several circles of it amazingly withstood the assault. I think that it was constructed with the possibility of an assault in mind. The area of impact (windows and such) was shored-up for anti-terrorism attacks a while back. It is low, and squat, and thick. I think the better conspiracy question that should be asked is "Where the heck were those legendary SAMs that are supposedly stationed on top of the White House??" arrgh.
35 posted on 03/10/2002 11:15:47 PM PST by buzzcat
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To: goldstategop
I have to go with George Metcalf on this one. I looked at the MSNBC footage twice and I can't see the plane. All you can see is exploding fuel. Does any one have an explanation for why the plane doesn't show up on the Pentagon's own camera?

Last month a picture of the Japan trip showed Collin Powell and Laura Bush sitting next to a headless Japanese woman and an luncheon. ( Check it out)

The equivalent to this article here about where is the plane would be a serious aricle about the possibility of a headless person entertaining Powell and Mrs. Bush in Japan.

It seems a lot of people are getting very weird, and losing it a bit.

36 posted on 03/10/2002 11:18:47 PM PST by tallhappy
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To: unamused
There ya go..
37 posted on 03/10/2002 11:29:26 PM PST by Texas_Jarhead
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To: Wphile
"Frankly, I have never had much respect for World Net Daily."

Well I did, but with crap like this, I'm losing it fast.

38 posted on 03/10/2002 11:34:14 PM PST by Don Joe
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To: CalConservative
1. The first satellite image shows the section of the building that was hit by the Boeing. In the image, the second ring of the building is also visible. It is clear that the aircraft only hit the first ring. The four interior rings remain intact. They were only fire-damaged after the initial explosion.

I would imagine the pentagon was built to withstand a nuclear explosion, and was quite surpsrised at the extent of the damage. If you have ever visited the Pentagon, and I have, you would agree that photos just do not give you the scale of how large this place is.

39 posted on 03/10/2002 11:36:14 PM PST by Lunatic Fringe
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To: BigBobber
"Geoff Metcalf also predicted dire emergencies stemming from Y2K."

Y2K was a whole 'nuther ball of wax. Anyone who looked at the Naval War College's Y2K website knew that the gov't was taking it very seriously -- and the hardened bunkers they built and stocked with supplies in the event the worst-case scenarios played out is solid evidence of just how seriously they took it.

Now, that said, this tripe is such garbage that I cannot fathom why WND is running with it. The mind boggles. It's almost as if they're trying to stack the deck against themselves in their current pitched battle for Congressional press-pass recognition status. At the same time they're insisting that they're serious journalists, they publish this embarassing horse manure not even worthy of tabloid "journalism". WTF were they thinking???

40 posted on 03/10/2002 11:38:55 PM PST by Don Joe
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