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Tancredo doubts he can block amnesty-extension bill
Denver Post ^ | March 8, 2002 | Bill McAllister

Posted on 03/08/2002 1:24:33 PM PST by sarcasm

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To: let freedom sing
I don't like the idea of Jerold Nadler, Hillary, or Barney Frank touching anything I might eat. Good idea otherwise.
1,561 posted on 03/11/2002 10:48:57 AM PST by Dakmar
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To: Twodees,Brownie74
About betrayal....

Brownie74 has indicated he/she believes Bush is dead set wanting this....I believe likewise...to the point of being a 1 timer like the old man....

That said, isn't it interesting that Phil (not over my dead body) Gramm and Dick Armey, both power houses from Texas have opted not to fight the battle against Bush by running again....seems like that should tell people something...it's common knowledge, you don't support the party, or the President and you're done.....I believe the handwriting was on the bathroom wall....

1,562 posted on 03/11/2002 10:49:27 AM PST by Rowdee
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To: Rowdee
...it's common knowledge, you don't support the party, or the President and you're done...

As I just posted on another thread, Phil Gramm says he is against amnesty but for a guest workers program. I think Gramm will go against 245(i). I hope so anyway.

Following your line of logic, that would be a good way for Gramm and Armey to get a last jab in at Bush.

1,563 posted on 03/11/2002 11:09:07 AM PST by Brownie74
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To: Rowdee; Mancini
"Brownie74 has indicated he/she believes Bush is dead set wanting this....I believe likewise...to the point of being a 1 timer like the old man...."

I really believe he doesn't care about re-election. Look at the Progress his behind the scenes guys are making toward their goals.

There is usually an assumption that a Politician CRAVES a second term. Jr. is Probably Craving to get out. This is a real chore to him.

The consolidations necessary will occur regardless of which party is in office, and now it doesn't even slow down because a Repub is in the Presidency.

1,565 posted on 03/11/2002 11:19:08 AM PST by rdavis84
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To: Vallandigham
Bttt!
1,566 posted on 03/11/2002 11:24:34 AM PST by monkeywrench
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To: sarcasm
There is too much involved, on a long term basis, to agree to any form of Amnesty, this side of the border.

It is an insult to all of us, immigrants no less than natives, to suggest that America degenerate into some form of undifferentiated humanity. A nation is not a game of muscial chairs. It is about heritage, and shared experiences, over generations. Suffering those who broke our laws--and in effect denied our right to control our own borders and communities--to come here, to remain, hardly makes any sense. I cannot understand why a basically decent, Conservative and moral man, like the President, seems to have a blind spot on this. (See Immigration & The American Future.)

William Flax

1,567 posted on 03/11/2002 11:37:42 AM PST by Ohioan
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To: Oregon Coast Conservative
I'm really beginning to wonder what the hell Rove is thinking.

The nature of the dysron is that he does not really think. He reacts in his compulsions in response to an imagined reality that simply does not exist. The man totally misunderstands how people are wrapped psychologically, and is very dangerous in his analytic ineptitude. For the lessons we all should have learned from 2000, see Politics 2001--Lessons 2000.

Rove's idea of strategy, if the near disaster that he orchestrated in 2000 is any clue, are on the same level as the Liberal Arts Sociology Major, at Harvard or Columbia, who actually believes the propaganda of the department. He has no place advising anyone seriously seeking to understand American politics.

William Flax Return Of The Gods Web Site

1,568 posted on 03/11/2002 11:47:03 AM PST by Ohioan
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To: Vallandigham;Regulator;sarcasm;sweetliberty;brownie74;big meanie;sabertooth;fitz
I just got off the phone with my local reps office and was told that Bill #245I is not on the Whips Schedule of votes this week. In fact she could not find the bill at all. When I asked if the Whips schedule is a complete schedule of all bills that are to be voted on this week she answered that it included everything.

When I asked her if there was any other kind of bill that had to do with Amnesty or immigrant tracking she said the only bill that came close was Bill #1885. This bill is called "Enhanced Border Security and Visa Entry Act". Does anyone know if congress has renamed #245I to #1885 or have delayed action on 245I?

1,569 posted on 03/11/2002 12:07:44 PM PST by WRhine
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To: WRhine
It IS HR 1885, the 245(i) exemption is attached.
1,570 posted on 03/11/2002 12:10:01 PM PST by Regulator
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To: Regulator
It IS HR 1885, the 245(i) exemption is attached.

Thanks Regulator.

1,571 posted on 03/11/2002 12:13:15 PM PST by WRhine
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To: PRND21
PRND, Illegal immigration is a crime. Thus, no one can win an argument supporting it.

What is your argument? Why do you support the destruction of America? Where is your common sense? I'm serious. Are you a Mexican or "Hispanic", and do you think the law doesn't apply to people of Mexican or "Hispanic" heritage? Just curious.

1,573 posted on 03/11/2002 12:33:57 PM PST by FreedomFriend
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To: Vallandigham
In my reference to a personality type, in my previous post on this thread, I was not referring to the President--nor did I intend to disparage the President in any way. It remains my hope that he will come to recognize that in Karl Rove he has put trust in one who simply is not mentally able to carry the ball.

My comment was not the Rove was some sort of "true believer." The term dysron, which I have coined, refers to one who has normal, or maybe above average intelligence, but is only able to analyze factors at a moronic level, because of fears and compulsions that dominate his perception--or baffle his reasoning. Rove may have succumbed to a malady that is very common among those attending the "Liberal Arts" programs at prestige Universities. He may actually believe that the myths, deliberately spread by such Fabian propagandists as Ashley Montagu and Gordon Allport, in the last Century, represent reality. And that an undifferentiated humanity is the wave of the future. (See Myths & Myth Makers In American "Higher" Education.)

The typical student who acquires this mindset is the one who is just not quite smart enough to see the obvious errors in the analysis offered, and being impressed (in the vernacular "snowed") by the poseurs on campus, lacks the confidence to even question anything that they profess. He therefore operates under a misunderstanding of reality from the outset.

William Flax Return Of The Gods Web Site

1,574 posted on 03/11/2002 12:37:58 PM PST by Ohioan
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To: Texasforever,HennepinPrisoner
...There is NO doubt that 3rd parties can swing an election and if that is the goal sure you may be able to do it, but then the outcome goes to the Democrats for and at least 4 years and probably 8. Is that an acceptable outcome for you? I am making no judgements just asking if you are so mad at Bush that you are willing to give the country back to the Dems."...

Is an outcome where the President ignores what is right for the Country acceptable to you just because said President has an "R" by their name....does the "R" stand for right, as in the correct or proper thing to do?

Last August, I believe was the date, Alan Keyes made a comment about it being easier to see and fight the known enemy (he was talking about the Perverted President)...our eyes are open to 'the other side' doing things whereas when its one us 'ours' running the show, we tend to let our eyes glaze over, or just go out and plant a garden knowing everything is gonna be ok cause our guys doing it.

The last scenario has been running rampant here at FR....

1,578 posted on 03/11/2002 1:09:18 PM PST by Rowdee
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To: Rowdee
The last scenario has been running rampant here at FR....

Yah, lotta shutters closed to the truth here'bouts.

EBUCK

1,579 posted on 03/11/2002 1:40:32 PM PST by EBUCK
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To: Twodees
Show us where this is specified.

PLYLER v. DOE, 457 U.S. 202 (1982)

1,580 posted on 03/11/2002 2:04:56 PM PST by VA Advogado
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