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Pentagon Releases 5 Security Camera Pics of Plane Hitting Pentagon
FOX News ^ | March 7, 2002 | John Gibson

Posted on 03/07/2002 1:15:17 PM PST by codebreaker

Edited on 04/22/2004 12:32:44 AM PDT by Jim Robinson. [history]

Just saw them on air, you can see the tail of the plane in the 2nd photo.


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TOPICS: Breaking News; Government; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: airseclist; anamericansoldier; bushdoctrineunfold; clashofcivilizatio; conspiracy; historylist; terrorwar; virginia; warlist; washingtondc; wtcattacks
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To: Poohbah
It is just obvious to me that your argument doesn't hold water... and I get frustrated when you and others only talk about the screwed up time code or come up with new facts to support your previous arguments when you should have listed those facts to begin with. BTW, name calling means often means you can't argue your case which seems to be your forte.
321 posted on 03/08/2002 6:30:58 PM PST by demdesur
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To: demdesur
Everybody in the frickin country is scared to say anything negative or be labeled a terrorist... only a terrorrist would say you are with us or you are against us... guess that would make you a terrorrist-supporter... and yes that makes me "scared" of you too!

Jeez. Grow a spine, you little bedwetter. And stop lying. If you were truly scared you'd be scared to post the things you've posted. They can FIND you, you know. You've left a trail.

322 posted on 03/09/2002 5:08:48 AM PST by hellinahandcart
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To: hellinahandcart
So much for freedom of speech. You actually sound like a proud American that is pointing out that my life might be in danger b/c of things I wrote on a web forum. Wow, is this the Stalin Administration or the Bush II administration.

The ironic part is I don't think the demolition was part of the planned attacks. I think the Pentagon was in self defense mode (as illogical as that sounds) so some entity is powerful enough to make the Pentagon go to contingency rope-a-dope deflection plan. The only entity that is powerful enough to do that is the Mossad... so although you think US shadow government/intel types might track me down and get rid of me the real people I'm afraid of are the same ones Bush is afraid of. So I'm hoping Bush, Cheney & Powell get out of their bedwetting mode and start addressing the real terror issue, the Israeli blackmailing of the US government rather than squeezing (and scaring the hell out of) the American people. Obviously, Bush et. all have a lot of skeletons in their closets (along with the country) or the blackmail wouldn't have worked.

This is all high level, shadow government, high levels of DIA, CIA, FBI, State Dept. and Mossad -hit. Also, there are millions of people (maybe a billion) that don't think Bin Laden did the WTC (and hundreds of quality web sites pointing out inaccurcies similar to the things I have pointed out... and they are growing really fast). I don't think the Mossad, Mossad operatives and "blackmailed" Americans in the US plan to assasinate a billion people and close the internet! And I don't think Bush and crowd are evil (although I haven't ruled it out!)... I just think they are in a horrible predicament... probably why W. was crying the other day. The bottom line is, in the information world we live in today the truth is going to come out soon enough (look at TWA 800) so it's best to get everything in the open and just deal with it the best you can and try to encourage and nurture transparency instead of clueless cold war espionage tactics in a POST cold war world (hint, it doesn't work any more). My two cents. Don't shoot me.

323 posted on 03/09/2002 5:44:54 AM PST by demdesur
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To: hellinahandcart
Actually, that is one theory above. Another is the Kissinger, Brezinski, Bush Sr., Cheney, Scowcroft crowd seemed to be surprisingly non-plussed by the whole thing. The timing is extremely suspicious... and the Bush admin's policy directions seemed to be proactive vs. reactive which is a bit disturbing. Who knows, I don't but I refuse to have my freedom of speech taken away by lying scoundrels saying trust us, you don't need the facts and, by the way, shut the hell up or we will kill you. -uck that.
324 posted on 03/09/2002 6:07:24 AM PST by demdesur
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To: demdesur
So much for freedom of speech. You actually sound like a proud American that is pointing out that my life might be in danger b/c of things I wrote on a web forum.

No, I'm simply pointing out that you are being dishonest about your "fear" level. You're not fooling any of us, "Dem of the South". You and your ilk are merely pretending to be terrified. If you were REALLY terrified you'd shut up. The fact that none of you do is proof to me that you're not as scared as you claim. Surely you KNOW how easy it is for TPTB to track people down on the internet.

Anyway, this is my VERY LAST attempt to ease your weak little mind on this subject. Your last question:

And what pray tell is stronger than a 255,000 lb 757 traveling at 300 mph?

Well, first of all I'm sure it was going even faster than that. But the answer is probably "nothing". Whatever that structure represented by the two scalloped gray lines is, it did not withstand the plane impact, since the plane kept right on going past it; it merely held together vertically along that edge, while everything to the right of it collapsed shortly afterward. Again, look at the red areas in the blueprint you posted. It kept on going, at a diagonal, deeper into the building . But the collapse occurred right along the outer edge of the two parallel gray lines. So it either represents an area of great structural strength, or an area of structural weakness. It's one or the other. I cannot make out the writing between those two gray lines, even with a big monitor, but if you find out WHAT that is you will have your definitive explanation. It's either something that held that part of the building up, or something that contibuted to bringing it down.

LOOK at it, you perceptual cripple. The collapse corresponds exactly to those two parallel gray lines.

And the Mossad sure didn't put them there. You can take that nonsense and stuff it.

And with that, I am done.

325 posted on 03/09/2002 6:12:17 AM PST by hellinahandcart
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To: hellinahandcart
Sounds good. Enjoyed the dialogue.
326 posted on 03/09/2002 6:25:40 AM PST by demdesur
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To: All
OK, I have pictures to post by my provider still has not set up a web storage area for me to do so.

I'm looking for someone who can accept about 2 megs in photos and post them along with narrative. E-mail me privately please. I'll be checking mail in-between honey-do lists. Thanks.

327 posted on 03/09/2002 8:04:16 AM PST by Defender3
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To: demdesur;TomB;hellinahandcart
I thought the basis for your posts on this topic were just following along the lines of "you can't prove that it happened..." sort of thoughts. I read where you said over and over again that eyewitness accounts can not be trusted, that there wasn't enough damage to the building, no one actually says they saw the plane hit the building, on and on. I'm a little surprised it took you so long to get to your point for carrying this on, mainly, that you want to blame the Jews. Hey, whatever floats your boat.

I'm sure that in your world, the world that exists only in your head, Jews are opening your mail, eating your corn flakes and jamming the transmissions from your mother-ship, but in mine, Islamic fundamentalists launched a suicide attack on America on 9/11/2001. Thousand of innocent Americans were killed. In response to those attacks, thousand of other American are now involved in punishing the individuals and nations that if given the chance will do it again. Those are facts. For someone who pretended to just be seeking the truth on this matter, your attempt to link Israel to this really tipped your hand.

And for the record, there were individuals who saw the plane impact the Pentagon. Firefighting personnel were waiting at the helipad. This is SOP because of the possibility of a helipad crash.They saw and heard the plane coming in, they dove for cover and survived. The fire truck was destroyed.

As to what happens when an airplane hits a building, you tell me what should happen. The Pentagon is made of steel and concrete. The plane is made of aluminum and aviation fuel. BTY, don't forget, that part of the Pentagon had been strengthened over the last few years to better survive car bomb attacks and oh yeah, don't forget, aluminum burns.
328 posted on 03/09/2002 8:18:57 AM PST by Fry
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To: hellinahandcart;TomB;abner;NotJustAnotherPrettyFace;Defender3
I included you in my comments as a CC. I hope you didn't think I was directing them at you. I'm a logtime lurker but very new to posting. You "guys" are fighting the good fight.

Abner, Pretty face thanks for the welcome and kind words. Defender3 - you put all us other first time posters to shame. You're making it look too easy. Great job.

Out here.
329 posted on 03/09/2002 8:26:20 AM PST by Fry
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To: ALl
I've uploaded 13 pictures to another member's FTP so they will be posted soon. I also provided narrative for each. Stand by a little longer!
330 posted on 03/09/2002 11:35:16 AM PST by Defender3
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To: All
Here are some pictures and narratives that attempt to answer some of the questions, be they valid questions or not!

I hope this works.......


331 posted on 03/09/2002 1:52:23 PM PST by Defender3
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To: Defender3
~ping~ I want to see---
332 posted on 03/09/2002 2:39:42 PM PST by Clara Lou
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To: Defender3
Let's try one at a time, they are BIG!

Yeoman's work Def, very nice job.

Nope, no plane debris is visible.

333 posted on 03/09/2002 2:50:24 PM PST by TomB
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To: TomB
BTW, the link for the actual website is here. Warning! High bandwidth.

The caption reads:

Picture 11 is from the helo pad that is to the left of the other shots. You can see the plane's entry hole to the far right of the picture. You can also see that the fire truck was severely burned on the side towards the blast, but intact otherwise. The firefighters who are also present had just finished waxing the truck when they heard, then saw, the plane. They ran to the left of this picture and were shielded from death by their very own fire truck, which performed it's last mission at that point. This picture also starts to show the level of small debris fragments that were the plane. I speculate these parts were probably the remains of it's left side wing assemblies.

Now, what was that about no witnesses?

334 posted on 03/09/2002 2:54:42 PM PST by TomB
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To: Clara Lou
ping
335 posted on 03/09/2002 2:55:03 PM PST by TomB
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To: Fry; demdesur; hellinahandcart
ping for pics.
336 posted on 03/09/2002 2:56:03 PM PST by TomB
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To: Defender3; TomB
Great pics and commentary.

View source on TomB's posts to see how he linked to the site and the actual pics.

And thanks TomB for doing so ...

337 posted on 03/09/2002 3:02:55 PM PST by fnord
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To: TomB
Def3 sent these to me to post for him, and all I did was resize them to fit an 800x600 screen. I deliberately didn't try to reduce their file size because I didn't want any details to get lost (or put up with suspicions of manipulation). If you think these are big, click on them and look at the originals ... very huge.
338 posted on 03/09/2002 3:07:09 PM PST by fnord
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To: All
Fnord & TomB: Thanks for ALL the help on posting these for the membership.

Let me make three narrative corrections before I get accused of some conspiracy myself.

Picture 7: The fires are the roof of E-Ring that folded back over during the collapse. While fires were raging in the interior rings, I mistaked this for a photo I decided not to post.

Picture 9 should have been closed out by saying the wet grass, and the softer ground from all the firefighting water, combined with the threat of coming rain, necessitated the gravel road operations in order to keep rescue efforts moving forward.

Picture 11 intimates all the firefighters were present. I meant to write this in a way to say that the two firefighters who were stationed with the truck were the ones who witnessed the plane and who were saved by their own truck.

Sorry for the corrections, I was trying to do this in between house projects.

339 posted on 03/09/2002 3:16:32 PM PST by Defender3
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To: Defender3
I have a new thread ready to go. Just give the word and I'll post it.
340 posted on 03/09/2002 3:36:16 PM PST by TomB
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