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No-pay idea upsets school chiefs [FL GOP lawmaker/teacher seeks to eliminate pay for SCHOOL BOARDS]
The Orlando Sentinel ^ | March 7, 2002 | Karla Schuster

Posted on 03/07/2002 9:43:18 AM PST by summer

No-pay idea upsets school chiefs [FL GOP lawmaker/teacher seeks to eliminate pay for SCHOOL BOARDS]

By Karla Schuster | Tallahassee Bureau
Posted March 7, 2002

TALLAHASSEE -- A massive overhaul of Florida's school code is headed to the House floor with a controversial provision that would eliminate salaries for school board members, drawing sharp rebukes from local education officials.

By a 12-7 vote, a House committee on Wednesday approved an amendment proposed by Rep. Ralph Arza, R-Hialeah, making local school board seats essentially volunteer jobs, noting that school board members earn more than first-year teachers in most Florida school districts.

In Miami-Dade County, school board members earn about $38,000 annually, compared with about $33,000 a year for first-year teachers, Arza said.

Broward and Palm Beach County School Board members earn $35,782 a year. First-year teachers without a master's degree earn $30,300 a year in Broward and $31,725 in Palm Beach County.

"What kind of message are we sending when we pay people in the classroom less than those on the school board?" Arza, a government teacher at Miami Senior High School, told the House Council of Lifelong Learning.

Arza's measure generated some of the most heated debate of the more than 80 proposed amendments to the school code revision bill (PCB 02-01), which is a high priority for Gov. Jeb Bush because it codifies key elements of the education reorganization he pushed through the Legislature last year.

Arza and other council members pointed out that members of the Florida Board of Education and the trustee boards at each state university, bodies created as part of Bush's education reorganization, are not paid.

But unlike the state board and the university trustees, local school board members are elected, not appointed, and they meet more often, opponents of the amendment argued.

"We believe school board members are dedicated, hard-working public servants," said Joy Frank, general counsel for the Florida Association of District School Superintendents. "The salary sometimes makes or breaks the decision whether someone runs for office or not."

Karla Schuster is a reporter for the South Florida Sun-Sentinel, a Tribune publishing company.

Copyright © 2002, Orlando Sentinel


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To: LarryLied
BTTT!
21 posted on 03/07/2002 12:35:39 PM PST by summer
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To: caltrop
BTTT to your post #18.
22 posted on 03/07/2002 12:36:06 PM PST by summer
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To: cake_crumb
Nope, I don't think so, cake_crumb. Gov. Bush will not get heat from this because too many citizens may actually recall the days when ALL school board members WERE volunteers. I think this idea will go over BIG with voters here in FL.
23 posted on 03/07/2002 12:38:08 PM PST by summer
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To: FreeTally
On a local level, I think "public" boards such as this should be volunteer and no pay. Concerning other officials [--] county, State and national, I think they should only be paid the average per-capita income.

Best idea yet, IMO.
24 posted on 03/07/2002 12:39:10 PM PST by summer
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To: LarryLied
....and those can still be the days, Larry! People CAN get it together. Why, just look at you and me! :)
25 posted on 03/07/2002 12:40:10 PM PST by summer
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To: summer
Think I may have to take my 82 yr old mom to the ER. She had no idea school board members got paid. 40+ years ago she worked, raised two kids, saw my dad was fed and watered so he could work and sat long hours on the board for free.
26 posted on 03/07/2002 1:02:19 PM PST by LarryLied
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To: LarryLied
My elderly parents in FL know. They think it's terrible, because they too remember when citizens served on school boards out of a sense of civic duty -- and, serving on a school board was an honor; not a paid position. It was like a step up from being president of the PTA.
27 posted on 03/07/2002 1:07:38 PM PST by summer
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To: summer
And they keep saying we need more money talk about waste
28 posted on 03/07/2002 1:07:44 PM PST by quietolong
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To: quietolong
There is a lot of wasted money in the school system. Even Randi Weingarten, the president of the NYC teachers union, admitted that much today in a letter she wrote to the NY Post.
29 posted on 03/07/2002 1:09:14 PM PST by summer
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To: summer
Get the money out of the board room and into the classroom. Leeches!
30 posted on 03/07/2002 3:17:16 PM PST by 2Trievers
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To: 2Trievers
bttt!
31 posted on 03/07/2002 4:02:03 PM PST by summer
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To: LarryLied
Can you imagine what would happen if Catholic schools decided to close? The state is responsible for providing an education to every child, even if that child attended a Catholic school that for one reason or another decided to close. Private, religious, and homeschools take the burden off the taxpayer, something that the teachers unions neglect to mention.
32 posted on 03/07/2002 4:10:26 PM PST by bettina0
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To: summer
Once again summer, we reach into the heart of the problem. The school boards exist to make important decisions related to education of the children. they need to be close to the parents and classrooms and should not have staffs to make presentations to them or salaries to make them ovrely fond of their position. If it job becomes a hugh chore, maybe the board members will share the position with others in the community when their term in the seat is up. Take the money, give it to the team planing for more open enrollment in the schools, and class selection within the schools.
33 posted on 03/09/2002 10:06:10 AM PST by KC_for_Freedom
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To: LarryLied
My grandfather never received a dime for school board meetings either, as it costs him to attend.


34 posted on 03/09/2002 10:22:34 AM PST by razorback-bert
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To: razorback-bert
Teaching itself used to be a missionary type job. No one went into it for the money. Now teachers think because they have an MA or PHD from some teaching college, they deserve parity with doctors and lawyers.
35 posted on 03/09/2002 11:58:20 AM PST by LarryLied
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To: LarryLied
You might be surprised to find the following article in Education Week. I've also posted it:

June 6, 2001

Why Vouchers?

By Tim DeRoche

There are many good reasons to support school vouchers for poor families. But one of the best has been consistently overlooked: Vouchers will be good for teachers.

In fact, from a teacher's point of view, voucher programs are just about the best of all possible education reforms. Here's why: Vouchers increase the number of choices available to teachers and spark heated competition for talented educators. Growing voucher programs will almost certainly bring better pay, improved working environments, and more respect to the teaching profession.

Let's start with one basic premise: The average public school teacher cares deeply about her students, knows quite a bit about how people learn, and works tirelessly to help students achieve. This same "average teacher" probably works for an unresponsive district bureaucracy. She receives insufficient support from the administration. And she is markedly underpaid.

What's the problem? A lack of teacher choice. Compared to doctors or lawyers, for example, teachers have very few options for employment. In most poor areas-where well-funded private schools are rare-a teacher must work for the local public school district if she wants to earn a living wage. Every public school in the area is a part of this bureaucracy: same pay, same benefits, same rules.

Of course, an educator will often have the option of working for five to six school districts within driving distance of her home. But nearby districts rarely differ significantly in benefits or pay, and all of these districts have to follow the same set of Byzantine state regulations.

For a doctor or a lawyer (or virtually anyone else), unlimited choice is so obvious that we rarely think about it. Should I work for a small firm or a large one? Should I accept a great salary for a 70-hour workweek, or a smaller salary and fewer hours? Should I work with a bunch of young, energized upstarts or with a group of knowledgeable veterans? Which potential employer holds values most similar to my own?

Teachers have a right to the same breadth of choices that the rest of us take for granted.

Proponents of vouchers typically advocate increased choice for parents and students. The argument is familiar: Vouchers make it much easier for all sorts of alternative providers to spring up in poor areas. Instead of being at the mercy of one unresponsive bureaucracy, disadvantaged families are served by many different providers with many different models. Since parent choice dictates where the money flows, schools will increasingly target the needs of the local population.

But teachers also benefit when more choices are available. As providers proliferate and schools become more diverse, teachers have more options. An educator can choose to work at a school that reflects his or her values, skills, experience, and personal goals (say, a mixed-age classroom on a year-round calendar with bilingual instruction). Another teacher with different needs can go elsewhere.

But even more important, vouchers will generate competition for good teachers. To be successful in a voucher system, a school must convince parents to enroll their children. What will the vast majority of parents care about? The quality of teaching. Thus, successful schools will be those that can recruit and retain the very best teachers. With so many different providers trying to recruit good teachers, all sorts of benefits will follow. Salaries will go up, and support for teachers will improve.

Economists have two terms that apply to our current system of public education: monopoly and monopsony. These two terms are different sides of the same coin. A monopoly exists when there is only one seller of a certain product or service. A monopsony exists when there is only one buyer.

From a parent's perspective, the local public school district is a seller of educational services. And it's really the only seller: Ninety percent of American students attend public schools. This is a monopoly that Bill Gates could envy.

A teacher, on the other hand, sees the public school system as a buyer, since schools pay educators to teach. Because public schools control 90 percent of the market, these public school districts can dictate the terms of employment. This is a classic case of monopsony.

That's why teachers now need unions. An individual has virtually no bargaining power against the monopsonistic school system and its 90 percent market share. Joining a union helps level the playing field.

But what happens when the monopsony is broken and competition reigns? According to economic theory, salaries will go up, and working environments will improve. (For an extreme example, look at what happened to the salaries of baseball players once free agency allowed them to negotiate with multiple teams.)

In a full voucher system, teachers are freed from the need for unions. Like doctors and lawyers, they become full professionals, free to sell their services to the highest bidder.

There is already some evidence that vouchers lead to these predicted gains. The Los Angeles Times reports that, since accepting voucher students, St. Anthony's Elementary School in Milwaukee has been forced to raise its starting teacher salary from $22,000 to $30,000. That's a 36 percent increase.

It's natural for many teachers-and their unions-to fear vouchers. The current system, no matter how dysfunctional, is very stable. Teachers know whom they'll work for, what problems they'll face, and how little support they'll receive.

But freedom is calling. Liberated from the monopsonistic school system, the vast majority of teachers will be rewarded by growing competition in the educational sector. They'll be rewarded not only with better pay, but also with more support from administrators, more accolades from parents, and more respect from the community.

For reassurance, teachers need only look around at professionals in other fields. Doctors and lawyers are paid high salaries partially because they participate in the marketplace. Hospitals compete for good doctors, whether they are world-class heart surgeons or effective family-practice physicians. Clients compete for good lawyers in much the same way.

One criticism of voucher programs is that they rely on "cutthroat competition" to improve schools. This is true: Any school that fails to attract students will have to close.

But this competition will be overwhelmingly positive for the average teacher. If schools must convince parents to enroll their children, then good teachers will be in great demand. Very few parents are so naive to think that flashy brochures and slick sales pitches are more important than good teachers.

Voucher programs unleash the forces of competition in service of educators.

Tim DeRoche worked as a consultant to the Los Angeles Unified School District from 1995 to 1997, assisting in the implementation of the LEARN reform plan. He is currently an educational television producer and science writer, and can be reached by e-mail at: timderoche@yahoo.com.

36 posted on 03/09/2002 12:28:38 PM PST by summer
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To: KC_for_Freedom
BTTT to your post #33, KC. Thanks so much for sharing your thoughts here. I always enjoy reading your posts. :)
37 posted on 03/09/2002 12:32:47 PM PST by summer
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To: summer
Good post! Competition is always good. I've been in business and I was annoyed and nervous about my competitors. But it made me better and I got much more satisfaction from what I was doing when I had to go toe to toe with someone. My customers benefited too. I hope someday the union drones will look back and wonder what they were thinking.
38 posted on 03/09/2002 12:38:15 PM PST by LarryLied
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To: summer
In Miami-Dade County, school board members earn about $38,000 annually,

Man oh Man, I should move to Fla and run. Since I'm a football coach, I'd have an advantage.

I think our members get paid here, but not enough to live on without another job.

39 posted on 03/09/2002 12:42:18 PM PST by Dan from Michigan
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To: summer
eliminate salaries for school board members

Great idea.

40 posted on 03/09/2002 12:43:16 PM PST by Osinski
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