Killer bought his weapon legally, passed screening (anti-gun media? no way!)

SF Gate ^ | Matthew B. Stannard

[Sir Gawain]

A Foster City genetic researcher killed his former employer and himself Wednesday with a cheap gun he had purchased legally and registered with the state, investigators said yesterday.

Police would not disclose, however, when the researcher, Guyang Matthew Huang, bought the gun, a Bryco Arms Jennings .380, which they described as a relatively inexpensive weapon that an inexperienced buyer might purchase for personal protection.

[Sir Gawain]

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[Feiny]

Bryco SUCKS! Cheap guns!!!

No one ever said that a background check will keep someone from committing murder or suicide. I suppose they would feel better if he has pusher his boss out a window & then jumped to his death?

[.38sw]

Oh, yeah. This looks to be the next tactic of the anti-freedom crowd. This was reported locally at the top-of-the-hour news blurb on the San Francosco (conservative) radio station I listend to. The newsreader opened with "Are background checks enough?", then gave a brief description of the murder-suicide, and emphasized that the perp purchased the gun legally, passed the background check. Also emphased that it was a "small, cheap gun favored for self-defense". Junk gun alert!

[.38sw]

Maybe it would have been better if he had used an expensive gun!

[theophilusscribe]

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[umgud]

Cheap handguns work. Califoirnia has already passed a destructive and safety gun testing law, which was intended to screen out cheap handguns. But, to their surprise, most of the cheapies are passing the tests. But don't worry, they will devise another way to ban them. Simon has to beat Davis in November.

[.38sw]

Yes, I know. Lockyer was nearly beside himself when the "cheap" guns submitted for testing passed. If I remember correctly, there is the so-called "ring of fire" manufacturers that make the "cheap" guns; the legislature requiring that guns pass the drop tests and firing tests was aimred at these manufacturers. Oh No! They passed! The article above and the radio newscast I heard made a point of mentioning that the gun used was "cheap".

[Waco]

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[coloradan]

That is a known trap of the gun prohibitionists:

When a gun that was purchased without a background check is used in a crime, it is "proof" that all transfers must be made with the check.

When a gun is used in a crime that was obtained with a check, but was otherwise unregistered or unlicensed it is "proof" that all guns need registration and/or licensing.

And when a registered, background-checked gun is used in a crime, it's proof that that particular type of gun (handgun, "assault weapon," "junk" gun, etc.) needs to be banned.

There is no level of governmental control or restriction that is sufficient for them, such that when that level of control is reached, the focus is no longer on additional restrictions. Since pushes for more control will always come, it is vital to always resist them.

[waterstraat]

Unfortunately, this man did not realize that under CAlifornia law, it was illegal for him to drive to her house with a loaded gun in his car. Why do murderers break gun laws? Why does the average Californian think that murderers will not break gun laws?

[El Gato]

No one ever said that a background check will keep someone from committing murder or suicide.

They may not have said it in so many words, although I believe they did, but they certainly implied that it would. They certainly didn't tell the truth. That criminals get their guns on the street, not from dealers, and that the check is simply the first step to registration and then to confiscation. It also has the effect of forcing the people get government permission before exercising a Constitutional right.

[El Gato]

Bryco SUCKS! Cheap guns!!!

A cheap gun is better than no gun, if that is the only alternative. Although I wouldn't go the .380 route, since at least one of these "cheap gun" makers make a .45 ACP, as well as a .40S&W.

[Patriot1946]

My, my, Lucy we sure have a lot of DNA researchers biting the dust in peculiar instances, don't we?

[Marauder]

it is vital to always resist them.

Absolutely. Gun control isn't about guns, it's about control. We will ignore that at our peril.

[archy]

What kind of gun did victim Tanya Holzmayer not have?

The first rule of a gunfight is, have a gun. She was invited to one and didn't even realize it until she was nearly dead.

[.38sw]

What kind of gun did Tanya have? probably none, but I'll bet she had a cell phone. Most of the "safety advice" given to women includes making sure you have a cell phone. Great. So throw it at the guy and run like he**.

[coloradan]

The seven-bullet clip still held six cartridges.

If only there were restrictions on magazines with capacities >10 rounds, this would have never happened.

[supercat]

The seven-bullet clip still held six cartridges.

Now isn't that special. Smells very fishy to me.

First of all, my recollection is that the Bryco .380 is 6+1 capacity. If the magazine has six rounds, it was loaded after it was last fired. Rather odd for a guy who just shot himself.

Even if the magazine had a seven-round capacity, it would be very odd for someone to reload the magazine after shooting someone and before shooting himself. Had he shot the gun dry into his victim and then reloaded before shooting himself that would be plausible, but if he'd shot the gun dry he would have had to load the magazine, chamber a round, remove the magazine, top it off, and then replace it. That really seems unlikely to me.

Either the media is misreporting something (no surprise there) or something really stinks in this case.

[supercat]

Bryco J-38 (.380) has 6 round capacity.
Bryco J-48 (.380) has 7 round capacity.

Perhaps this guy had a J-48. Still, very odd that he would have topped off the magazine of a gun that was already loaded before shooting himself.