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To: Nebullis
"I didn't expect you to back up your claims." - Nebullis

Again, you make another intellectually dishonest statement. I did back up my claim. My first claim was that re-ordering bases in a gene would negate the desired output. You countered that Evolution had no desired output. I then pointed out that if DNA never formed Life (i.e. the desired output), that the issue would be moot.

But more than just that example, I've posted point by point rebuttals to your wild-eyed claims, backed by numerous examples, logic, and analogies.

If you still think that I haven't sufficiently backed up my claims, simply post a specific claim of mine and ask for further substance. I'll deliver it just as I have all along, and then you'll have to go find some new "claim" to make against me...

635 posted on 04/08/2002 12:10:04 PM PDT by Southack
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To: Southack
I've just rolled a coin 1000 times. I've included the sequence below. By my calculation, the odds are 1 in ~10^300 against this exact sequence occurring. That's so unlikely there's just no way it could have occurred on its own - I mean isn't that more than the number of baryons in the universe? Clearly some divine intervention has occurred, right?

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Now, have I got the mode of the disproof right?
636 posted on 04/08/2002 1:05:10 PM PDT by edsheppa
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To: Southack
Basically you have claimed that, given assumptions x,y,z...about the history of life, evolution could not have taken place according to these specific mathematical proofs.

Okay. A number of individuals have already pointed out that the assumptions x,y,z...are incorrect and so, the mathematical "proof" is neither here nor there.

Now, you've moved yourself into a position where you make the assumption that no matter what this "proof" means, there is a larger analogy for life-coding DNA and that is software. Presumably, this claim is supposed to imply that since people can design software, and since people are intelligent, all of life is designed by an intelligent force other than nature. Nevermind that this argument is invalid.

Since our full description of biological life or life-coding DNA is no more precise than semantic theories, mathematical simulations of phenomena evidenced from life, such as natural selection or other individual aspects, are but partial approximations of those semantic descriptions.

640 posted on 04/08/2002 1:19:07 PM PDT by Nebullis
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